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2/11/2012 1:09:00 PM
Letter: Abortion boils down to destruction of a human life

Editor:

As a Christian and a retired physician, I was gratified to read in the recent Verde Independent that Sen. Steve Smith, R-Maricopa is proposing Arizona bill SB 1494 that would define human life as beginning “at conception.”

This is consistent with the Bible and certainly is backed by medical science. For women considering abortion, this would put them on notice as to what they are really doing - destroying a human life.

Kirk R. Stetson M.D.

Cottonwood


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Article comment by: So, kill the baby, right?

In response to Verde Valley Citizen. I believe that was also the attitude in Germany, when killing Jews was also "legal" because they, like our unborn today, were declared "nonhuman" (according to those living, of course). I believe the good citizens of Germany were also told to mind their own business, as millions died in the death camps.
I choose to defend the defenseless, and as I recall, I have the freedom to speak as much as you do.


Posted: Tuesday, February 21, 2012
Article comment by: Phineous Jack

Gaia Gurl,
Yes pregnancy has side effects, I am not arguing that point. Abortions have side effects as well. Research that too.
It still boils down to killing an inocent life.

I find it interesting that some make the argument about us pro lifers only pro life until your born then we send people off to war. I remind you that it is an all VOLUNTEER service. No one forced anyone to sign up.

Like I asked before and no one has answered...
It's ok to kill a baby in the whomb when ______.

Rebublicans have shown no real desire to end abortion or they would have done so when they had control. I am not arguing this because of polotics.

It is always our business to protect the innocent, and I find it odd that some people are so dogmatic about womans righst unless the womans location happens to be in the whomb.

People, educate yourselves on this issue.

What does slavery, the Holocaust and abortion have in common? They where/are all justified by how society defines what a human is.

Like I said before, You are being intellectually dishonest with yourself if you think it is not a baby in the whomb.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: Verde Valley Citizen

IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS BETWEEN A PATIENT OR THEIR PHYSICIAN. NOW STOP YOUR IGNORANCE, AND MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS PERIOD.

Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: So, kill the baby, right?

Just like the other posts missing what the good doctor said. A woman, who is alive, can choose to have sex (except for that .01% of rape, etc) knowing (I would hope) that sex = possible pregnancy. She can choose to forgo such choice, or as so many today do - make a choice, end up pregnant, kill the baby, and yes that is a baby if you check your science and not your failed attempt as science and biology about the lie that it is a glob of cells.
I know what she said. It still boils down to a choice among the living that results in a pregnancy and another choice to kill an innocent human being. If this were an eagle egg - you would be up on Federal charges. An unborn eagle has a better chance that an unborn human.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: KRISTINA TERRY

If men had baby's this would argument would not exist. Day care, birth control, and clean legal abortions would all be free free from cost, free from judgment, that IS a fact.

Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: Verde Valley Citizens

People Stop It. It is not your business. It is between the dr. and patient. Period.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: For the Baby

It's people like you, you know, who make it almost impossible to hold an intelligent discussion in a forum like this. When I saw Gaia Gurl's post this morning, I thought to myself, "Now watch, the next comment will be someone purposefully misinterpreting this post as some kind of general rant against motherhood, and to imply that anyone choosing an abortion does so lightly and casually, as if it were birth control.

And voila! There it was!

Apparently some of you simply don't possess the capacity to give due depth of consideration to what people are actually expressing here. And to the equal rights of your fellow human beings, as well.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: Maybe I missed something

So it is preferable to kill a living, breathing, already contributing to society citizen, voting, taxpayer and whoever else she may be, the woman?

Rather than a few cells, a zygote, a fetus?

Not seeing the baby here.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: Bad Gremlin

"it is exactly at one year old that I propose to provide for them in such a manner as instead of being a charge upon their parents or the parish, or wanting food and raiment for the rest of their lives, they shall on the contrary contribute to the feeding, and partly to the clothing, of many thousands.

There is likewise another great advantage in my scheme, that it will prevent those voluntary abortions, and that horrid practice of women murdering their bastard children, alas! too frequent among us! "

~A Modest Proposal


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: So, kill the baby, right?

Seems like all this talk is about how terrible it is for a woman to have a baby, so the best choice is to just kill him or her. Very convenient.
Always interesting that the LIVING get to decide whether a helpless baby gets to live or die.


Posted: Monday, February 20, 2012
Article comment by: Gaia Gurl

Phineas Jack who never HAD a baby, NEVER had to weigh the following complications . . .

Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy:
exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks)
altered appetite and senses of taste and smell
nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester)
heartburn and indigestion
constipation
weight gain
dizziness and light-headedness
bloating, swelling, fluid retention
hemmorhoids
abdominal cramps
yeast infections
congested, bloody nose
acne and mild skin disorders
skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen)
mild to severe backache and strain
increased headaches
difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping
increased urination and incontinence
bleeding gums
pica
breast pain and discharge
swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint pain
difficulty sitting, standing in later pregnancy
inability to take regular medications
shortness of breath
higher blood pressure
hair loss
tendency to anemia
curtailment of ability to participate in some sports and activities
infection including from serious and potentially fatal disease
(pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and
are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases)
extreme pain on delivery
hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression
continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover)

Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy:
stretch marks (worse in younger women)
loose skin
permanent weight gain or redistribution
abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness
pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life)
changes to breasts
varicose veins
scarring from episiotomy or c-section
other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty)
increased proclivity for hemmorhoids
loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis)

Occasional complications and side effects:
spousal/partner abuse
hyperemesis gravidarum
temporary and permanent injury to back
severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies)
dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele)
pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies)
eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death)
gestational diabetes
placenta previa
anemia (which can be life-threatening)
thrombocytopenic purpura
severe cramping
embolism (blood clots)
medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby)
diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles
mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication)
serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis)
hormonal imbalance
ectopic pregnancy (risk of death)
broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone")
hemorrhage and
numerous other complications of delivery
refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease
aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures)
severe post-partum depression and psychosis
research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors
research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy
research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease

Less common (but serious) complications:
peripartum cardiomyopathy
cardiopulmonary arrest
magnesium toxicity
severe hypoxemia/acidosis
massive embolism
increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction
molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer)
malignant arrhythmia
circulatory collapse
placental abruption
obstetric fistula

More permanent side effects:
future infertility
permanent disability
death

http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm

Birth control . . . IF YOU CAN GET IT is not 100% effective.

An abortion is a low cost office procedure . . .


Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012
Article comment by: Lee Cali

Yes, Ann that is exactly what this bill will do, make a potential murder case against a mother who miscarries. Don't you just love how those "small government" moralists make George Orwell's Big Brother come alive!

And from there, on to banning contraceptives of all kinds., right?


Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012
Article comment by: John Hall

...to abort, or not to abort...that is the question...and a question that can't be easily answered by anyone...an argument that can't be won. Most folks who oppose abortion have no problem sending young people off to wars fought for corporate profit...the right to life begins at conception and ends at birth. Most folks who scream about the rights of fetuses are men...who will never have to face an unwanted pregnancy...and should have absolutely no voice in the debate. For whatever reason, women have sought abortions throughout history, and will continue to do so. The choice we have is either sanitary, safe procedures, or back-alley, coat-hanger, bloody butchery...and any MAN who assumes to make decisions for women should consider shutting his pie-hole.

Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012
Article comment by: And lest we forget...

First of all, Hollyann, my heart goes out to you also, for all you went through -- the life circumstances themselves as well as how your choice to have an abortion affected you later in life. And I'm glad to know you now have two beautiful children who have the gift of a mother who adores them.

And at the same time, it's clear there's a need here to bring this fireball issue back to its nexus -- the fact that *no one has the right to dominate over a woman's power of choice to bear life or not, based upon their own individual opinion of whether life in the womb becomes valid or viable with the heartbeat or the entrance of the soul.* No one person's opinion or life experience, no matter how passionate or self-righteous, will EVER hold the bottom-line core-answer to this...so it will, and should, forever remain an issue for each individual woman's consideration and choice.

End of story.


Posted: Sunday, February 19, 2012
Article comment by: Just Sayin'

A woman's right to determine what happens to her body is, or at least was settled law for decades. Not until the Republicans failed to produce the jobs they were elected to provide and ran out of any sort of reasonable platform did this issue raise it's ugly head. They can't fault the President on economic recovery, which is slow but is in fact happening. They can't fault him for security, with Bin Laden and most of his top buddies taking nice long dirt naps. So what to do? Easy. Start nagging about religion and contraception. Fat, pale old men in ties determining what's best for American women. What's hilarious is how they just don't see female voters abandoning them like rats off the Titanic. You can't make this comedy of errors up. The Republican Circular Firing Squad. Stay tuned for the cheapest entertainment anywhere.


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