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3/1/2014 2:16:00 PM
Letter: What would Jesus do?

Editor:

The recent turmoil over the Arizona legislation to allow people to refuse service to another person due to religious beliefs reminds me of a joke.

A church pastor was going over an invoice for an item he was sure the church did not order. He called the business that was listed on the invoice and was told the item was ordered for his church and signed for by a Frank Christian. To which the pastor responded: "We have no Christians in this church!"

In the 4th chapter of the book of John, Christ encounters a woman at a well and asks for a drink. First, the religious norm was that no man should ever ask a woman for a drink and drink from her jug. Second, the woman was a Samarian and scorned by the Jews.

Third the woman was even scorned by the Samarian because she had been married seven times and now living with a man without a marriage. Local religious beliefs would dictate that you shun this woman. But Christ did not. Instead he ministered to her and advised his followers to do the same.

So while it within your right to believe that a homosexual is living contrary to your religious beliefs, a true Christian would not shun the person, but show by example your belief and act as Christ would.

Or maybe our churches do not have any Christians in membership.

Yes, several books in the Bible say that for a man to lay with another man, as a woman, is an abomination. (Nothing said about lesbians since women did not count was their norm.) But it was also an abomination to eat pork, shrimp or lobster.

Written by a confirmed heterosexual

Richard Gohman

Cottonwood


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Reader Comments

Posted: Friday, March 7, 2014
Article comment by: Treat homosexuals like smokers

Well, to answer the question, for sure he wouldn't try to rewrite the word of God, which specifically prohibits homosexuality.

But on an individual level, I think he'd be tolerant. This is pretty much the stance the Pope takes.

This suggests we today take a position toward homosexuals similar to that we take toward smokers.

Do it if you must but please don't expose me or my family to it.

We are really not interested in seeing two grown men holding hands or kissing in public, on TV, in the movies, or anywhere else. For God's sake, be discrete.

Our systems of laws should protect us from the corrosive effects of homosexuality on society and the family, similar to the way we are protected from second-hand smoke.

But in today's ultra-liberal era of Obama, we instead see liberals constantly pushing and pushing to bring the smokers of sexuality right into our living rooms. We see their deviant lifestyles celebrated in the media. This is just wrong.

Moderates and conservatives greatly outnumber liberals in this country. We should just say no to liberals constantly shoving their homosexual agenda into our faces all the time.


Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: Carlos Danger

MJ
I think you hurt Wacka Wacka's feelings when you said he would only get a Hero of the Cause 3rd class. I think he is shooting for at least a Hero of the Cause 2nd class.
I hope this helps.
LOL


Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: Alarmed and paying attention

Wacka, wacka...Your assessment of fictitious noise is spot on. Understand though that MJ is looking for attention and most of us choose not to give it to him. It's the most we can do.

Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: M J

To stir the pot
Google:
Larry Brinkin
gay rights advocate and former member of the San Francisco Human Rights Commission


Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Re: Comrade Wacko Wacko
Iffin you have some Ultra - Hush Hush - Off the Record - Top - Super Secret - For Your Eyes Only - Inside Info that you have been hiding for all these years... then by ALL means... expose it and right this injustice... so good ol' Dan Rather and his producer, what's her name, can be reinstated...
In the meantime...
They can enjoy being released from the bondage of "Job Lock".
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Just think Comrade Wacko...
FINALLY - you can achieve Hero of the Working Peoples Award (Third Class) and along with an oversize medal that will match your ego, you will be allotted an EXTRA bowl of cabbage soup. All your fellow liberals.... ah ..... Comrades will be jealous.

IN OTHER NEWS
A word about the "war on women"
Ahhh yes..... That old "war on women" canard.....

"I will tell you that the war on women is being waged by one party in this country"
"It's time somebody called them out."
U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson

LATER THAT DAY....

A judge has granted a temporary protective injunction against U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, after his wife filed paperwork accusing the Orlando congressman of shoving and injuring her during an incident this weekend.


Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: nutso fasst

The only question regarding the Killian forgeries is whether they were forged to smear GW Bush or Dan Rather.

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killian_documents_authenticity_issues



Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: Re The Beginning

Phoenix will shut down city streets for a St. Patrick's Day parade - so what? I'm not Irish, but they can have all of the parades they want, so can the LGBTQ community - just stay away from Phoenix if you have a problem with it.
So, you think what is wrong with this country is too much public affection is being shown. Sounds like what this country needs to me. Too much hatred, too many wars, too little love. Also sounds like you are in an affection deprived marriage. I hug and kiss my wife every time I see her - anytime, anywhere and won't ever stop because you never know when your time on this earth is up.
Now as for the Bible - all things considered it teaches people great life lessons, but as they say - no one can prove it - fact or fiction!!!


Posted: Thursday, March 6, 2014
Article comment by: Wacka Wacka

@ MJ

I knew it .. that cavity for a brain is completely unable to process more than one thought a month...

Here is MJ's direct quote folks.

"CBS
Dan Rather
Made up a SMIDGEN of a story about President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record with memos that were forgeries.
not fired but was shown the door nevertheless"

For the record .. the documents concerned were claimed to be "fakes" for the stated "fact" from the right that the type-face used was unavailable on the typewriters at the time the memos. Then it turns out .. after about 15 minutes of real investigation that the typeface was completely consistent with the typewriters owned by the Texas Air Guard when the GWB got his flight status yanked!

MJ .. always fictitious noise.


Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: Homo Here

I am a middle aged lesbian. Now, I don't like to categorize myself but that got your attention didn't it?

I believe that we are born gay, straight, some are bi. Whatever. My mom has three gay children. She is a firm believer in genetics playing the ultimate role in deciding the sexual orientation of her children. She accepts it, and treats all of her children and their partners the same. Our family is a family.

I believe in a higher power of some sort. I do not however necessarily believe in the bible. It's a book with fantastic stories and I know in my heart that there is some truth in those stories but to what degree, I doubt we will ever know. I do believe in the Golden Rule and do my best to live by it every day.

I think the media has hyped this up beyond excess and we've all, yet again, fallen victim to the exaggerations of vicious and hungry people who claim they want to share the "word" to the people. I don't think there are many businesses out there who are standing by just waiting for us homos to show up so they can slam their doors in our faces. I think there are exceptions of course - I remember the whole Chik-fil-a fiasco a few years ago so perhaps they might (don't know though, and I don't want to start any rumors). There are businesses here and there that will turn their backs to the gay community and if so, it's their loss. Pure and simple. Time and karma will prevail.

Let's all keep a perspective on things folks. Remember that most members of the media out there are just looking for ratings and nothing more. Let's talk to each other and not judge. After all, remember what the bible says (wink), "he who is without sin shall cast the first stone."



Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: Jesus would probably admonish all of us -

For sitting around and bickering about what he would do!

Then he would go forth and find each of us that seems to disagree about what he would do, wrap an arm around each of our shoulders and help us to see that we agree on more than we disagree and we should be working together to make the valley and the world a better place for ALL of it's residents.

And that in in fact what he would do!

And so should we!

Bam! Question answered.


Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: @ the beginning once again -

So knowing that the hand of man wrote the word, and that man is by his very nature imperfect... is it not possible that the words written by those human hands could also be imperfect?

Maybe the transcriber heard it wrong or mis-understood?

Regardless of that hot topic...

All that should be considered is equal rights to the life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all as our esteemed forefathers drafted.

Religion should have no position in that at all. As long as members of the LGBTQ community are not forcing you to marry against your will there should be no concern, just as nobody should be forcing them to do things against their will or denying them the same equal rights. Only seem's fair.


Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: The Beginning

I think some need to re-read my statement as I did not state that I attended a "gay pride parade" I just said that Phoenix will shut down the street to have one.
Also, not all weddings are done in public. Mine was in a court with only 5 people in attendance. I do not go around in Public holding hands or kissing my spouse. So, don't put words in my mouth. That is what is wrong with this country. To much public affection is being shown and now it is mostly by the homosexuals. Also there is nothing stopping them from having a private wedding of their own, although it won't be legal, but still nothing stopping them. Last, I checked this is a free country and God has given us free agency. All I am saying is that it is wrong. Christians are here to explain this and to spread God's words.
About the Bible being written by man this is true as God is a Spirit therefore can not write. BUT he can talk to those on Earth and tell them what to write, that is why we have a bible. It is His law no different than the laws we have to abide by.


Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Of course being gay means you're a victim....
liberalism is a religion, and obtaining martyr status is the highest honor...
It's the dream of all liberals...
To be a martyr to the cause...
To be remembered in future school books...
Their picture on a finger smudged page...
Hero of the cause - Third Class - Comrade Wacko...
Tells ya a LOT about their egos - don't it?

Re: Comrade Wacka Wacko
Under the heading "What would Jesus do?"
NOWHERE did I mention anything about Dan Rather...

I think you took the blue pill Comrade

"You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes."
― Morpheus to Neo


Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: @ Mary Jane

I certainly am confused with your rage and anger at society. This is a fallen world and if you are a Christian, then your heart should be filled with compassion for all of the hurting people in this world. I don't understand, as a Christian myself, how you have time to spew such hate and anger to a certain group of people when you are sinner like everyone else on earth. If you believe in the Bible, as I do, then Jesus gave us a job and that is to love others. He did not say to JUDGE others. There are many things happening in our society that I find disturbing but I choose to help where I can, I try to love others (regardless of whether they believe exactly what I do) and I stay away from worldly things that do not mix with my values and beliefs. If my neighbors are a gay couple....it doesn't/shouldn't stop me from #1) reaching out and befriending them and loving them and #2) it doesn't stop me from continuing to believe and act upon my values and/or religion. Personally, I am just as irritated when I see a man and a woman making out in an inappropriate manner in the park as there is a place for intimacy regardless of whether you are gay or heterosexual. My last comment is that you will never change anyones mind about anything with the derogatory tone of your comments....you just give a very negative stereotype to Christianity that in no way reflects the Glory of God.

Posted: Wednesday, March 5, 2014
Article comment by: nutso fasst

Wacka Wacka: "Dan Rather was right and the memos were NOT forgeries."

Having a pretty good familiarity with the evolution of printer technology along with a collection of typewriters, printers, and word processing software, I not only confirmed the claims of forgery, I created 'joke' documents that matched the forged documents exactly, something that could not be done with the printers in use when the documents were supposedly created.

Unless you are just disingenuously trying to re-write history, perhaps you should be more critical of your own sources of misinformation.



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