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12/19/2013 1:57:00 PM
Letter: There must be compromise in Congress

Editor:

Gosar again shows he is an obstructionist.

Any attempt at compromise on the part of the Republicans and Democrats in the House were rejected by Representative Gosar. He voted no on the attempt on the budget bill. Although his office once told me that he is not a "tea partier," I would take issue with that.

What we need in Washington is someone who represents the people of the district, not just a few off the edge people who think that by obstructing everything, they will win. I want to see things moving in Washington. Compromise is the answer.

Eugenia Hart

Cornville




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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, January 15, 2014
Article comment by: Verde Voter

I vote that MJ and Re MJ hold a community talk and greet event soon. Let us hear from them. Let us hear the true path back to the good old USA from MJ and now Re MJ. They seem to have the answers and solutions. Come on MJ and Re MJ get on that soapbox and tell us. We want to hear from YOU.

Posted: Tuesday, January 14, 2014
Article comment by: Re MJ

MJ, it's impossible trying to hold an educational conversation with these common core liberal Idiots. You can talk until your blue in the face trying but as long as our corrupt politician's keep buying there votes with freebies and lies nothing will change. What sickens me is these Eejits are to stupid to realize it due to there fairytale up bringing. I can only imagine what it's going to be like when marijuana is legal everywhere, that's a Scary thought!

Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014
Article comment by: M J

for itsy:

Taxpayers paid nearly $175 million for vacuum erection systems (VES), commonly known as “penis pumps,” from 2006 to 2011, according to an inspector general report released on Monday.

Our tax dollars, hard at work.


Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Re: itsy bitsy Spider
now that's odd...
I don't remember needing your permission on what I can or can not post...
tell you what...
/snark on
post your e-mail address and I will sent all of my posts to you for prior approval...
and then... with wisdom that would make the Gods themselves blush... and with your depth of boundless knowledge... you can approve or disapprove of them
/snark off


Posted: Saturday, January 11, 2014
Article comment by: itsy bitsy Spider

Thank you, Mr. J. We can always rely upon you to obscure any attempt at a focused discussion.

The subject is "compromise." Is it always advantageous? Is it always detrimental? Or does this depend on what is being compromised by whom to what end?

imho--

As a means to resolve real disparities in the best interests of parties for whom an agreement would be mutually beneficial, compromise is usually advantageous.

The framing of the U.S. Constitution is one example. We're still dealing with compromises and omissions necessary to reach an agreement, but the union of states remains advantageous to all. The current treaty discussions with Iran's new government is another. Iran's best interests aren't all in America's best interests, but if we don't reach a nuclear understanding agreeable to Iran, things will be worse for everyone.

As a governmental philosophy, however, compromise is usually detrimental.

The Bolshevik Revolution is a stark example. The USSR was set up as a democratic republic with a beautiful constitution, much better written than ours. But it was structured to subsume all interests to the interests of the State, a built-in compromise that allowed no argument. In practice, the Duma had no power to oppose the administration, the president was subject to the whims of the party chairman, and the people had no say in who rose in the ranks of the one legal party. That's how they acquired a paranoid dictator and why Marxism-Leninism evolved into Stalinism.

More conventionally cited, Britain's policy of appeasement prior to World War II demonstrates the folly of going into negotiations determined to give the opposing team whatever they want.



Posted: Wednesday, January 8, 2014
Article comment by: M J

HaHaHaHaHaHa
I see the howlin' and squeeeeelin' liberal horde has come out in force...
squeeeeel on o misguided ones...
squeeeeel on
sorry frankie ... booze and meth are for losers... ahhh .... such as yourself...

Here are some more tidbits...

Pres zerO gave a speech after he returned from his Hawaiian vacation about income inequality...
His Hawaiian vacation cost us peon taxpayers 4 million...

Great articles in the Wash Times and the Wall Street J:
50 years ago today LBJ declared war on poverty
The gubmint currently runs more than 80 welfare programs
at $916 Billion in 2012 alone

After $20.7 Trillion in 2011 dollars ...
and what have we got in return for all this mind blowing amount of money???

In the decade following the 1964 introduction of the war on poverty, poverty rates in the U.S. dropped to their lowest level since comprehensive records began in 1958: from 17.3% in the year the Economic Opportunity Act was implemented to 11.1% in 1973. They have remained between 11 and 15.2% ever since

so we started with a 19 - 17.3% poverty rate (depending on your source)
and after 50 years of gubmint programs
and after 20.7 TRILLION dollars
we ended up with - institutionalized poverty
In November 2012 the U.S. Census Bureau said more than 16% of the population lived in poverty in the United States

A whooping change of 3 - 1.3%

What a rip off
What a waste of money
these poverty programs ain't working...
it's time for a different direction

Yes sir boys and girls
the gubmint at work
and these are the same fools some of you want in charge of our healthcare


Posted: Wednesday, January 8, 2014
Article comment by: Frank Lee Confused

MJ, I love you, man.
I know how it is when they want you to take responsibility for your speech by using your real name...
I know you are afraid of what they might do to you...

Try to relax...here, smoke some of my weed, brother...but you really need to cut back on the booze and meth...that $#!+ will make you crazy.....peace.


Posted: Wednesday, January 8, 2014
Article comment by: Mary Jane

WoW,

And MJ wonders why most of the nation have nothing but contempt for the T-Party lunatics. I've said it before and I'll say it again, PLEASE don't ever stop posting your rants and raves. It is important that citizens get to see the real mindset of the Uber Reich Wing Republicans in action!

The camera zooms out and the lights fade as the T/P curmudgeon shakes his fist in frustration at having failed to disenfranchise the "Others".

The 8% are fading fast for a reason...


Posted: Tuesday, January 7, 2014
Article comment by: Perhaps contempt and vitriol have clouded MJ's outlook on life-

Maybe MJ just needs a hug.

All those years of being kept down by the man have been hard on them.

Positions rooted in contempt and emotion may not always be the most logical or reasoned.

Perhaps MJ's crusade to change other peoples positions would be better directed at them selves, the old point one finger and 3 point back addage and all.

Hope you find a way to relieve all that tension in a reasonable fashion that keeps you from proving your own theories incorrect.



Posted: Tuesday, January 7, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Re: billy b
Let’s see
I asked you questions and you don't answer or cherry pick them at best... yet you ask me questions and expect answers... typical liberal - arrogant - self-righteous - and not much of a truth teller.

It’s the attitude of liberals such as yours that are destroying this country.
Liberal compassion is Detroit... that cesspool... liberal “compromise” is the passage of obamacare... so much for your phony compassion and compromise.

More examples of liberal phony compassion are to continuously call half the country foul names - racists - haters - KKK members etc. etc. Not only by barely intelligent “news” reporters but by elected officials.

Enough

I point out liberal nut job ideas because I have had enough.
For years I just went about my business... working hard, paying taxes, obeying the law, raising a family... and for what? ... to see my paycheck dwindle down as liberals and liberal leaning repubs went about stealing my families money and calling me foul names... to give away so they can feel like a big shot, to stroke their ego... or to give to some lazy boozed up doped up slug, in some cases third generation recipients... who were not only ungrateful about the money coming from my family... but demanded more and more... all so the elected official can be reelected.

Enough
This is now war
I will not stop
My mission is to change how someone looks at this country and how they vote
I don’t expect to change lots of folks
Just a couple will do
And I have been successful
I have changed a dozen or more at work and in the family
I will not stop
You see billy... you and your kind made me
And
I have nothing but contempt for your kind


Posted: Tuesday, January 7, 2014
Article comment by: M J

More from the party of “peace, love, dope, and Hippy beads”

Rep. Mike Capuano (D-MA)
To a crowd in Boston in solidarity for Wisconsin union members.
“I’m proud to be here with people who understand that it’s more than just sending an email to get you going. Every once and awhile you need to get out on the streets and get a little bloody when necessary”

Left wing nut job James Blanning: planted 4 bombs in Aspen Co with the following note:
Do not f*** with us or there will be mass death like we have all been part of over in that f***g quicksand trap that rove and chaney’s monkey bush put us into where so many of our soul mates and brothers died very horrible deaths.

2001 Bill Ayers said, “I don’t regret setting bombs I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Left wing nut job Carol Anne Burger: a writer for the Huffington Post who stabbed her roommate 222 times with a screwdriver before she killed herself. Burger’s last story for HuffPO - “Christian School Teacher Takes Female Students to Palin Rally.”

Chicago Trib
Jan 05, 2014
Trial to start for 3 OWS thugs.
The 3 thugs are facing trial together on 11 counts — including conspiracy to commit terrorism, possession of explosives and attempted arson
Prosecutors allege the three were involved in discussions or preparations for attacks on Chicago police stations, President zer O's re-election headquarters, Mayor Emanuel's home and a Chase bank in the Loop.
Besides the explosives, police said they found a makeshift mortar made from a length of PVC pipe, handwritten instructions for making a pipe bomb, a compound bow, knives, a throwing star and a large painted plywood shield with the sharp ends of screws drilled through the front.


Posted: Monday, January 6, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

MJ, we get it. There are violent nuts on the far extremes of the political spectrum. If you want to go back in history, you'll find hundreds of examples of leftists and right wingers alike. Anarchists are not exclusively on the left. Terrorists are not exclusively on the right. For every Ted Kaczinski there is a Timothy McVeigh, for every Jim Jones, a David Koresh. For every Abbie Hoffman, an Eric Rudolph. Label them as you will.

The point I would make is that extremism, intransigent extremism is not what a democratic political system is based on. As the writer says, "There must be compromise in Congress." Otherwise, if the extremist win out, the entire country is at risk. Keep posting your silly lists of examples of why you are so paranoid and won't ever reveal your identity, I don't care who you are anyway. I just care that if attitudes like yours prevail, progress, economic growth, social growth and mutual respect for one another are all slowed down. Is that what you want? Stagnation? Does immobility serve your agenda? Can you explain how that's a good thing? Can you explain how compromise is a bad thing?


Posted: Monday, January 6, 2014
Article comment by: M J

More from the “peace, love, dope and hippy beads” folks

CNN
15 Oct 2011
Hundreds of anarchists in Rome had gathered as part of the global Occupy movement. The anarchists -- some wearing ski masks and belonging to a group termed "Black Bloc" -- torched cars, broke windows and clashed with police. Two police officers were seriously injured and two young men lost parts of their hands in explosions when protesters torched cars.

Occupy Wall Street activist M Gliedman and A Greene were arrested for 7 grams of the explosive powder HMTD, which can be used to make bombs. They possessed a sawed-off shotgun, chemical precursors to HMTD, the “Terrorist Encyclopedia V. 1.02,” at least two other bomb-making manuals and various booby traps.

Leftist nut job Leon Czolgosz shot and killed President William McKinley
(leftist love to kill Presidents)

Congressman Leo Ryan shot and killed by leftist nut job at Jonestown

Seattle Times
4 Sept 09
Two radio towers were toppled northeast of Seattle…
A radical group bent on stopping urban sprawl looks to be behind the toppling today of two radio towers northeast of Seattle. The Earth Liberation Front claimed responsibility

Reuters
14 May 09
Members of the leftist nut job Austin Affinity Group were convicted of bringing Molotov cocktails (bombs) to the Republican National Convention to “disrupt” the convention
Side note: Leftist nut job Katyanne Kibby of the same group was indicted for making death threats to the informant

OWS Ohio bomb makers
After Hayne agreed to testify, Wright, Baxter and Stevens accepted guilty pleas … DUH … Brain surgeon… that means they are guilty

Want More??

“by their fruits ye shall know them


Posted: Saturday, January 4, 2014
Article comment by: FACTS not Fairytales please!

Leftist Bomb making or FBI entrapment

"After Hayne agreed to testify, Wright, Baxter and Stevens accepted guilty pleas 5 September, gambling that Dowd would reduce their sentences based on mitigating factors. But this nixed the defense plan to argue entrapment, detailing how Shaquille Azir, a paid FBI informant with a 20-year criminal record, facilitated every step in the plot.

Azir molded the five's childish bravado and drunken fantasies into terrorism. He played father figure to the lost men, providing them with jobs, housing, beer and drugs. Every time the scheme threatened to collapse into gutterpunk chaos, he kept it on track.

FBI tapes reveal Azir led the brainstorming of targets, showed them bridges to case out, pushed them to buy C-4 military-grade explosives, provided the contact for weapons, gave them money for the explosives and demanded they develop a plan because "we on the hook" for the weapons. At one point, Azir burst out in frustration at their ineptitude: "every time we meet, we leave saying, we're doing some research. And then get back together and go back to square one."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/nov/28/cleveland-anarchist-bomb-plot-fbi


Posted: Saturday, January 4, 2014
Article comment by: You are just calling names like kindergarteners . . .

Protest is protected by our U.S. Constitution . . . An arrest is not a conviction.

So why is it when the right wing protests it's not a “gang” or “thugs?”

"A group of conservative activists is borrowing from the protest playbook of the Occupy movement, encouraging demonstrators to camp out within sight of the White House in Lafayette Square next week as part of an ongoing movement demanding the resignation of President Obama and other high-level federal government officials."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/13/conservatives-plan-dc-occupation/#ixzz2pSWEPPFw

”V for Vendetta” is a movie. Using your logic it is the conservatives who are the brown shirts, they are the ones who adopted Nazi rhetoric like “Homeland” Security.

So environmentalists are automatic leftists? Let’s see how long you last without clean water or air? Would you move to Chernobyl or Fukushima?

You think just labeling every historical nut job a leftist, makes it so? Using your logic, Jesus was a radical leftist terrorist who healed the sick, fed the poor and was the first Occupier, because he threw out the moneychangers.

I would love to know who you are if you even exist. Nobody is this stupid . . . Unfortunately I think you are nothing more than a Verde Independent plant created so they can sell their ads for more money cause there is more ‘traffic’ on the site. Anyone who posts here knows how they manipulate and edit the comments.

And using your ‘logic’ I think the 9/11 bombers were right wing conservatives who brought about the profits that Halliburton, NSA and 'Homeland' Security now enjoy due to our new paranoid, brown shirt, surveillance obsessed, police state.



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