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8/1/2013 2:40:00 PM
Letter: The right to keep and bear arms isn't heavenly, just necessary

Editor:

Verde Independent newspaper, July 31, 2013, letter partially named "The right wing Heaven." Mr. Phil Falbo from Phoenix takes another swing at demonizing those of us that do not trust the government to provide for our freedom, safety and security.

Of course, he makes a normal accusation of racism, which is to be expected and without directly mentioning it; he asserts his superior knowledge about the George Zimmerman case.

Well, Mr. Falbo, I have a question or two, then a statement:

How did you get to be such an expert about the thinking of conservatives? What makes you think that Trayvon Martin was innocentl walking around the neighborhood? What did the Stand Your Ground provision have to do with anything in that case? Was it ever even mentioned, except by those like you and the other gun control advocates that are trying to destroy the Second Amendment? Do you know more about the case than the on-scene law enforcement personnel and the jury?

If Zimmerman had not shot, he probably would have been dead. Would it have satisfied you if he had been killed? That man who became his own ethnic category when your Leftist cohorts found out that he was not white; he instantly transformed and became the first ever "White Hispanic." It was all for one reason and that was so they could claim racism.

Mr. Falbo, you and yours can look for a Utopia and Valhalla and expect it from the government if you wish; however, we Constitutionalists that you attempt to accuse can understand what the Bill of Rights is saying and in fact the whole Constitution is designed to limit and decentralize the government. If you want to trust the likes of President Obama and Eric Holder, go ahead, but I will not trust them as far as I can throw this building.

As far as the right to keep and bear arms being heavenly: No, not really, that is an earthly necessity for the stability of free people to detour the actions of a tyrannical government.

Dale Gohr

Clarkdale


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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, August 5, 2013
Article comment by: The Goatherder

This is a silly discussion. Anyone who has lost their "rights" please raise your hand.
I still have my guns.


Posted: Monday, August 5, 2013
Article comment by: @@@ Bill B

You are so correct, since he might have had some photos on his phone you object to, he must have deserved to die.

Great criteria for Corporal Punishment in the police state US.

Geez, life is so damned cheap to you guys.


Posted: Monday, August 5, 2013
Article comment by: DEA SOD in AZ?

For those who wondered about traffic enforcement vehicles with drug dogs...

Former federal agent: "You'd be told only, ‘Be at a certain truck stop at a certain time and look for a certain vehicle.' And so we'd alert the state police to find an excuse to stop that vehicle, and then have a drug dog search it."

After an arrest, agents pretend their investigation began with the traffic stop.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805


Posted: Monday, August 5, 2013
Article comment by: Police State progress report

"A secretive U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration unit is funneling information from intelligence intercepts, wiretaps, informants and a massive database of telephone records to authorities across the nation to help them launch criminal investigations of Americans.

"...law enforcement agents have been directed to conceal how such investigations truly begin - not only from defense lawyers but also sometimes from prosecutors and judges.

"...federal agents are trained to 'recreate' the investigative trail to effectively cover up where the information originated, a practice that some experts say violates a defendant's Constitutional right to a fair trial. If defendants don't know how an investigation began, they cannot know to ask to review potential sources of exculpatory evidence - information that could reveal entrapment, mistakes or biased witnesses."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/05/us-dea-sod-idUSBRE97409R20130805


Posted: Monday, August 5, 2013
Article comment by: @ @ Bill B

PF,

Have you seen the picture of Trayvon, being circulated by what I would term 'minority supremacists', where he looks like a 12 yr old kid interested only in Pokemons and Skittles?

The photos in Trayvon's phone weren't really marijuana and a 9mm gat, it was green skittles and a squirt gun for playing outside on a hot day!

This must be what people like PF, John Bond, Gaia Gurl, and Ryan really, really, fondly, hoped Martin looked like. (If he did, Zimmerman wouldn't have had to shoot him dead to stop him from inflicting a good head-bashing).


Posted: Sunday, August 4, 2013
Article comment by: @ Bill B

I think that some who visit here are of the opinion that Martin was a young thug or 'gangsta'.

I think Slater used those words or quoted those words.

Many from the conservative side seemed to think that as I heard a few pundits using that innuendo

Many state, obliquely, it was ok for him to be killed.

Also, many on the right complained of 'fake photos' being used to show what Martin looked like.

I received the big-Trayvon-Martin-lie picture circulated by what I would term 'white supremacists' in an email from a Libertarian friend (he is not, btw). It shows a muscular, heavily tattooed black with a 'suspicious,' I am sure, look.

This must be what people like Dale, Danny, Slater and m j really, really, fondly, hoped Martin looked like. (If he did, Zimmerman would be dead from head-bashing).

Snopes.com takes care of it to my satisfaction:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/martin.asp


Posted: Saturday, August 3, 2013
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

I accept that not everyone likes guns. What I do not understand is the false and misleading information being used to take away gun rights. In the Zimmerman / Martin case the Stand Your Ground law was never used by the Defense, but everyone from Obama down to Martin's mother is calling for the law to be changed. The media could not find fault with Zimmerman so NBC edited the 911 call to manufacture fault. Just like the media manufactured the term "assault rifle". Zimmerman had his Constitutional rights taken away when Obama expressed his belief that Zimmerman was guilty before he had a trial.

Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: Slater Slater

Egypt's not a military take over says Kerry ( the swift boat fake) Probably so we can contribute billions of aid so the tribes can split it up and party on our dime.
Our Government is full of DO-Do.
We don't need to promote or protect anyone in
that area.Let them fight and die as they have for thousands of years.
They never lost a war,so lets jump in and get Americans killed so haliburton can sell hamburger meat.US Gi's on a bun.Wake up
Vietnam Vet


Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by:

Frank Lee asked "...how can shooting a gun,
"...detour the actions of a tyrannical'
government."?..."

Frank Lee, you then answer your own question:
"...It barely worked 230 years ago, when the
government only used muskets, cannon and
swords...."

The confusion exist in your own question and
answer.

What is the end objective of your postulations?


Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

"Gohr statement: As far as the right to keep and bear arms being heavenly: No, not really, that is an earthly necessity for the stability of free people to detour the actions of a tyrannical government.

PF Response: Fear what you choose. I fear the irrational, heavily armed radical right more than our elected officials."

I quoted these words from the comments by PF because they seem to be the crux of the argument.

I'm with PF on this one. In my own personal experience, our elected officials including county, state and federal have ignored me. That's ok by me.

I have however, been threatened twice by real people with firearms. One of them I know is a heavily armed, far right and irrational property owner who did not like the way the zoning laws effected her property. The other was simply a drunk who had a gun. Either way, neither one of them was in their right mind at the time and fortunately for all involved each incident ended without shots fired. Funny how they only one to go to jail was the drunk. I guess the Sheriffs Deputies were sympathetic to the other. I'll let you guess which one.

As for the Trayvon Martin case and whether or not he was up to no good. Was he a thug? Did he live a thug lifestyle? Was he casing the neighborhood? No to all three questions. Did he sometimes affect that style? Yeah, maybe he did. Now think back to when you were 17 Dale, back in the 40s or 50s or maybe the early 60s. Did you ever wear your chinos too tight and rolled up at the cuffs? Did you ever sport a DA hairstyle or carry a pack of Luckys in your tee shirt sleeve? Did you ever hang out and smoke with your buddies. Were you ever "up to no good." ? (I'm just sayin). Did you deserve to be shot?














Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: For Dale again

You ask where Falbo got to be so expert about conservative thinking.

Read the idiocies posted as retorts from your conservative/libertarian brethren on this page, especially Nux and Slater.

Woof.



Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: @ Brian Carlson

I wasn't sure that you could figure out that "PF, or, pf" were my nom de plumes, so to speak.

Can't get much by you, Brian.


Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: Slater Slater

Perhaps one can arm themselves with a fresh
rose everyday and offer it to the person smashing your face.
I'd feel safe by just shooting them.I go home
and a deterent is established.Win for me and
again the survival of the smartest.
Wanna be a thug then die in the gutter.Oh he
or she was strung out?Not anymore their not.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.Amen
Everyone has choices to make,I choose LIFE.


Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

I notice that Phil is using different names to get his opinion noticed. Sometimes he is Phil Falbo and sometimes PF and who knows what else.

Posted: Friday, August 2, 2013
Article comment by: Just ignore Falbo

Mr. Gohr, do not let yourself be bothered by what the likes of Phil Falbo thinks.

Mr. Falbo has proven through his writings to be nothing more than a paranoid, mean old man full of intolerance for most everyone and everything, even childish with his immature name calling.

Because of his warped and hateful views lack any constructive thinking, I no longer read anything he writes.



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