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1/10/2013 1:07:00 PM
Letter: Guns will always be out there for those who want them


I am not a gun nut. I do believe in the right to own guns, and the Second Amendment.

Using prohibition as an example, it was instituted in 1919 and repealed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933. By the time it was repealed, even the staunchest advocates admitted it was beyond a dismal failure, and caused many terrible problems because the people who wanted liquor, and the people who wanted to supply that liquor were going to do it no matter what.

The “bad” people, or “insane” people who want guns will get guns no matter what laws Obama’s administration wants to enact.

I am betting that some of these laws proposed and possible enacted may end up being unconstitutional.

Dave Woehning


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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, January 13, 2013
Article comment by: Crime Wave

Too many bad with guns killing people without guns. The only solution is to arm every man woman and child so that they can defend themselves against the bad guys. More Guns !!!!

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: per mr. gemmill's request... .

your question is valid and also one of the key loopholes that folks use to justify 'assault' style weapons. the key here is that to be a true assault weapon the rifle/handgun must have full auto or select fire burst modes of operation.

manufacturers use that as a way to simply produce semi-auto version of the assault weapons... they can then say that by the letter of the law they are not assault weapons.

they key here ends up with the magazine... your dad's old hunting rifle was maybe bolt action...or semi auto... but normally was limited to a 5 round capacity for hunting etc... ( i think the legislature and jan. b. removed the 5 round limit last year?) the new rage is the 20-30-100 round capacity...

and lets not omit the fad of bump firing or sliding stocks that in fact turn a semi auto into a full auto... look that one up on youtube... a great way to keep bullet manufacturers in the red...

the line between assault and normal rifles is blurred beyond recognition.... but that is great marketing i guess...

is banning anything the answer? maybe not... is requiring everyone to have a gun the answer maybe not... is refusing to even have the discussion or declaring a revolution the answer? no...

again... if guns are not the problem... then more of them also can't be the solution.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: M J

The left has given me ZERO reasons why I should trust them ..... on guns ..... or on any other issue.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Peter, Yavapai County

Here Darren (from Wikapedia)

Assault weapon refers to different types of firearms, and is a term that has differing meanings and usages.

In discussions about gun laws and gun politics in the United States, an assault weapon is most commonly defined as a semi-automatic firearm possessing certain features similar to those of military firearms. Semi-automatic firearms fire one bullet (round) each time the trigger is pulled the spent cartridge case is ejected and another cartridge is loaded into the chamber, without the manual operation of a bolt handle, a lever, or a sliding handgrip. An assault weapon has a detachable magazine, in conjunction with one, two, or more other features such as a pistol grip, a folding stock, a flash suppressor, or a bayonet lug.[1] Most assault weapons are rifles, but some are pistols or shotguns. Proposed legislation formerly under consideration attempted to define the term even more broadly to mean any semi-automatic firearm, any firearm with a detachable magazine, or handguns holding more than 10 rounds which includes the majority of all firearms,[2] but died in committee before even coming to a vote.[3] The exact definition of the term in this context thus varies among each of the various jurisdictions that limit or prohibit assault weapon manufacture, importation, sale, or possession, and legislative attempts are often made to change the definitions. Governing and defining laws include the now-expired Federal Assault Weapons Ban, as well as state and local laws. Whether or not assault weapons should be legally restricted more than other firearms, how they should be defined, and even whether or not the term "assault weapon" should be used at all, are questions subject to considerable debate.

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: I Guess

Ed you have no idea what the difference between a Right and a Privilege is. History 101 Its a Bill Of RIGHTS not a Bill Of Privileges

Posted: Saturday, January 12, 2013
Article comment by: Options A-plenty

Ryan Jensen: you didn't ask how will victims
defend themselves.

Posted: Friday, January 11, 2013
Article comment by: Jim West

Ed Wood, thank you for an intellegent comment! I couldn't agree more nor could I have said it any better, just wanted you to know there are other sane and rational people in the valley.

Posted: Friday, January 11, 2013
Article comment by: Darren Gemmill

Here is a question for everyone. I know the term "assault weapon" is being tossed around quite freely of late, can anyone out there tell me anything that an "assault weapon" can do with regard to function that any other semi automatic firearm can not do? We can even keep this more simple and limit the comparison to magazine fed firearms, rifle, handgun or shotgun regardless of caliber. I don't mean how they look, simply how they function.

Posted: Friday, January 11, 2013
Article comment by: Ryan Jensen

I’m so sick of this argument…”the bad guys will get them anyway.”

If that’s true, then why do we bother to limit or ban anything?

Why outlaw marijuana?…the bad guys will get it anyway.
Why outlaw cocaine?…the bad guys will get it anyway.
Why outlaw rape?...the bad guys will do it anyway.
Why outlaw child abuse?...the bad parents will do it anyway.

Ridiculous isn't it...Get it?

And besides, no one’s talking about “taking away all your guns.” Why does the average person need a semi-auto or an extended clip? Do you need either to effectively hunt anything other than humans?

Lighten up people!

Posted: Friday, January 11, 2013
Article comment by: Ed Wood

Radio host Alex Jones practically challenged Piers Morgan to a duel on CNN and now professional weapons trainer James Yeager of Tennessee promises he won't murder anyone unless they try to take away his guns. You gun people are sooooo worried because sensible Americans want to place reasonable gun safety laws into place. Nobody's talking about banning guns. Your example of Prohibition is idiotic. Please explain how a background check for every gun sale is any different from requiring people to have a license to drive a car. Both a car and a gun are dangerous and reasonable precautions like seat belts and air bags are no more radical than background checks and banning assault weapons that allow the holder to fire off 30 rounds in less than 10 seconds. This is not tyranny and the President is not a dictator. Chicken Littles like you do not protect our form of government. You're the reason that radical communist Winston Churchill once said, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

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