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11/21/2012 1:01:00 PM
Letter: Administration targeting military pay

Editor:

Obama just got re-elected and he is already coming after military pay and benefits.

The Congressional Budget Office points to freezing future pay raises, increasing TRICARE fees, and altering future retirement benefits as means to avoid the “fiscal cliff.”

The military community should be aware that the deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff” is likely to impact their families as much as the sequestration itself.

See http://www.military.com/veterans-report/cbo-report-takes-aim-at-pay-and-benefits?ESRC=vr.nl

Brian Carlson

Sedona



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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

Okay Phil, I know that you served. Most of the time you use your real name. You and I are not talking facts now. We are offering different opinions. I think the military earns their pay and benefits. You are correct that not all military members do not see combat. The military works long hours and endures family separation. That's my opinion. You are welcome to your opinion. I served under 7 Presidents. Both Democrat and Republican and the military always received COLA and other benefits. Under Obama COLA was taken away for 2 years. Tax dollars invested in the military provide national security. Tax dollars invested on food stamps return more dependance on government assistance.

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: DragonMaster 6

@Phil Falbo Who States
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."
Please get out of America if you do not believe Patriotism of the Constitution and Bill of Rights deserves the loyalty, love, and respect that is required as an American , " Unique Individual instead of a uniform/conformist to either party who will sc%#w you just as fast for their own personal agendas! They have already cut Social Security as the program established and supposedly managed to require taxes type payments for our retirement years. They have mis-managed that so badly by their pork-barrel projects we now find the entire system broke!!! We payed into this for our use from the very first day we worked and I still have my original S.S. card with my name printed on it from 7 years old!!
This was never their money to spend anymore than our retirement benefits wheather military, teachers, firefighters or policeman! It was part of our contracts and the polititicians stole it from us with selfish choices and poor fiscal management. They do not represent us anymore but there is no, "None of the Above" box on the voting ballot!!


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Phil Falbo

@ Brian

I wrote the "Assuming" post the VI dropped several words.

No where do I say that a volunteer is "less deserving," of anything. All I say is that a person who joins the military does so knowing what the terms of his/her service will be.

Trying to make it so simple that even you might be able to understand: that means that the volunteer knows for how long the service will be and how much he/she will be paid for that service. The Retirement Benefit package promised the military volunteer is part of the contract.

(You seem to think they are being cheated out of something and deserve more than what they agree to, for some odd reason).

It is exactly the same situation with most other 'volunteer' career people who serve as policemen, firefighters or school teachers. Their retirement packages are as much a part of their deal as the military's.

You guys sneer selectively at the 'public leeches."

In the budgetary sense, the military retirement benefits are just as much a drag on the economy as any other public retirement system.

And, yes, Brian, I would much prefer that more tax dollars be spent on "Green Programs" rather than fighting useless wars against 15th Century cultures that cost trillions and kill tens of thousands of people.

You, of course, must prefer death and destruction, right?

Brian, Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.





Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: before this get any further off track... .

the point here is that mr. carlson was incorrect- regardless of personal feelings about military benefits etc... the fact of the matter is that the CBO never said that the Admin. was the one who was targeting the benefits.

and as most rational and truthful people recall the republican majority house put the military on the chopping block in order to get the dem's to put their programs of choice on the block...

so every comment not pointing that out only clouds the real issue... political honesty and facts- now that romney did not win the facts do in fact matter.


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: DragonMaster 6

@ ass-u-m-ing who states
"Military retirement benefits are just another leech."
I'll bet there are a lot of people who would like to discuss this issue with you personally! These cuts do not include any cuts for all of the services and incredibily expensive un-needed financial requirements of these, "Elected Officials" who have brought us to this financial crisis by their blatant fiscal mis-representations and pretending to be the true Government of the American Constitution and Bill of Rights who will not sacrifice a nickles worth of hardship themselves! Be aware of reality please and stop assuming because it only makes an #^* out of yourself at this point but do not attribute your characteristics to others!


Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

To Assuming, I doubt very much that you ever served in Vietnam or anyplace else. How does being a volunteer make a person less deserving? Who is on an ignorant high horse here? Maybe you would rather have your taxes go to more failed Green Programs.

Posted: Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Article comment by: Open Your Eyes

I think the bigger question should be why doesn't the administration take a pay cut, and retirement cut? Think of the money we would save there, then the teachers, firefighters,police and military can have better benefits and retirement. Or stop the "tax Free" fly zones that some of these overseas pilots are flying in once a month every month when they are not stationed in a hazardous area. They spend 3-4 years at a base and never pay taxes.... I know because I am at that base

Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: M J

"Military retirement benefits are just another leech."
This profoundly stupid statement can be chalked up to an understanding of the three core values of a liberal.
• envy
• resentment
• greed
Remember the liberal motto:
What is mine is mine....and what is yours is mine. (kinnda like the way a two year old thinks)


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Assuming,

As with police, firefighters and teachers, Military service is voluntary.

Military pay levels by rank and time-in-grade are clearly understood and contractually accepted by enlistees.

Volunteers, all.

The fact is, you and the right wing faux 'deficit hawks' complain about public leeches sucking public financial blood veins and then go after teachers, law-enforcement and firefighters with alacrity.

Military retirement benefits are just another leech.

At least be consistent as you rail against " the foolish spending habits in Washington DC."

FYI, I did not "sing a different tune" when I served in the Air Force during "Nam, nor did I shrink from going to war. My life was at risk.

It was part of the deal, so, fall off your ignorant high horse.

The risks taken by most military personnel (non combat) are no more dangerous than what civilians face in day to day life.

The frequent risks taken by police and firefighters could be compared to those of servicemen in combat.

It is not just the military who put their lives on the line and deserve their ' promised entitlements."

Nor should theirs be the only ones cut.








Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Brian Carlson

It amazes me that anything that happened when Bush was President was Bushes fault. This included hurricanes. You same people who blamed Bush for everything are now defending Obama for things happening on his watch. It is so interesting that when gas goes up it is not Obama's fault, but when gas goes down, the credit is given to Obama. The first place we should be cutting spending is on Obama's failed "Green Programs" that have cost the tax payers Billions.

Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: RE, So What, Brian?

As you stated, And they are eligible for medical care for life, even if they retire at 38. Yes we are eligible but at a cost, it's called TriCare and it is not cheap or free. Try paying for it on a enlisted retirement. You complain about teachers, firefighters and law enforcement officers being the only public employees to feel the pinch but you fail to mention how military personal and their family's have been paid peanuts for generations and are still well below a good living wage. You would sing a different tune if you gave 20+ years of your life to Uncle Sam that at some point could cost you your life only to have your promised entitlements cut due to the foolish spending habits in Washington DC like giving billions of dollars to foreign countries that hate us and laugh all the way to the bank at us! Maybe someday the powers that be might wake up.



Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: Phil Falbo

@ Lee

We know from past experience and Kyl's own words that what he says is not meant to be factual.

Recall, Romney too bragged his campaign would not be limited by the facts.

What else should we expect from the proud, lying republicants but tripe?

In their isolated bubble, it is their 'truth.'


Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012
Article comment by: so in conclusion it appears that.. .

mr. carlson is the the one targeting the administration with false information and simple untruths.

thanks to several citizen journalist/fact checkers and some reality the truth is clear...

but the endless supply of these wacky falsehoods is mind bending... one would hope that such an honorable man as mr. carlson would acknowledge the error is his letter and submit a follow up so that all the folks who read the paper version of this and don't get the follow up comments will not proceed to base their decisions on mis/dis-information.

how about it mr. carlson... man up and admit the error... or just stop the blatant attacks and falsehoods...?



Posted: Saturday, November 24, 2012
Article comment by: Lee Cali

Something else Mr. Carlson needs to get right: it's been the Republicans in Congress who have obstructed any benefit extentions or increases for veterans. Our Rep. Gosar and Sen. Kyl are among those who have kept vets from getting the needed services even as they write commentaries extolling the sacrifices thos vets have made for our country. Seems all Republicans are hypocrites! I wish the Verde Independent would stop giving Kyl a monthly"Commentary". It makes me sick to read his false statements and he loses no opportunity to diss the administration. (As does Mr. Carlson!)

Posted: Thursday, November 22, 2012
Article comment by: c whitfield


home : opinions : opinions Share November 22, 2012

11/21/2012 1:01:00 PM
Letter: Administration targeting military pay

Editor:

Obama just got re-elected and he is already coming after military pay and benefits.

The Congressional Budget Office points to freezing future pay raises, increasing TRICARE fees, and altering future retirement benefits as means to avoid the “fiscal cliff.”

The military community should be aware that the deal to avoid the “fiscal cliff” is likely to impact their families as much as the sequestration itself.



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