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3/19/2013 1:07:00 PM
Letter: We live in interesting times

Editor:

We have read many exchanges in the Verde Independent “Letters” section concerning the 2nd Amendment and the people’s right to keep and bear arms.

Gun advocates hang their Constitutional hats on the “...shall not be infringed...” wording. For these people, The Constitution is the immutable Final Word.

On the other hand, folks who prefer gun regulation reference the 2nd Amendment’s “...well regulated militia...’ wording as indicating gun control is constitutionally allowed.

A few have opined -- with strong disagreement from man y-- that part of the intent of the 2nd Amendment also had to do with slavery.

As in tennis or ping-pong words fly back and forth.

Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution states that Congress shall have the power: “To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions.”

Since an ‘insurrection’ is “resistance against civil authority or an established government,” besides British loyalists still in the colonies, what other insurrection(s) could the Founding Fathers possibly have feared?

They certainly could have been thinking about their slaves.’

If some of those who hide behind the ‘militia’ wording start an insurrection against new Gun Laws, will other “militia” types raise up to fight that “insurrection” to protect “the Laws of the Union,” as mandated in the Constitution?

Several sheriffs and Arizona State Senator Crandell advocate ignoring the law if any are passed limiting weapons.

Aren’t those stating they will ignore “the Laws of the Union” advocating insurrection?

Gee, what is a militia to do?

There are others beside the government who advocate ‘tyranny.’

We live in interesting times.

Phil Falbo

Phoenix



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Reader Comments

Posted: Sunday, December 7, 2014
Article comment by: Juan Independiente

Matthew Holmes: Gracias, amigo.

Your letter, "Arizona has strong tradition of free and independent thought," gave me a good laugh.

But you should read again your first comment to this letter.

Most people in the USA can not remember that Mexico was a constitutional republic when people in New England were only talking revolt against English rule. They do not learn the history of the Americas. Today, most people in Mexico can not remember they won and lost independence from corrupt government because their ancestors allowed "ruling de facto rather than de jure."

There were reasons. Foreign invasion and civil war made military leaders and martial law more important than civil liberty. But you can not subvert one part of a constitutional covenant without voiding that covenant en toto.

No good has come to citizens from ignoring provisions of the Constitution of the United States of America. No good will come from allowing the president to make law and ignore congress. Today it is undocumented aliens. Tomorrow it is those who bear arms, those who demand privacy, those who insist on a trial by jury. Soon it is open revolt between the states and the federal government and among each other.

That will solve the immigration problem. No one that migrates to Mexico without sufficient funds to buy favored status stays very long. The same will be true of all the disunited states of the USA.


Posted: Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Article comment by: PF joins foot in mouth club

So the hapless Phil Falbo, by lashing out at someone trying to support him, joins the local chapter of the "Foot in Mouth Club", John A. Bond founding member.

T


Posted: Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Article comment by: M J

Re: Matthew Holmes
I'm afraid that's the best 'ol pf has.


Posted: Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Article comment by: P F

@ Mr. Holmes

I will do better.

Thanks.


Posted: Saturday, March 23, 2013
Article comment by: Re, PF @545

Why NOT pick on them? They gave us all their Lies to get elected, look at the present POTUS. I can't count all the lies he's told, he promised us the world and has given nothing and the public were fooled not once but twice! Politicians promise things they know they can't deliever, it's only brownie points in their election process and we are so stupid to believe them. The only things they care about is themselves, we are only their pay checks. IF we voted them ALL out they would only be replaced with a new bunch of liars!

Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: Matthew Holmes

PF, nowhere in any of my posts did I mention anything of the sort. Please read more carefully and please do not put words in my mouth. My initial comments were intended to support your letter, but you seem to be reading into my posts just the opposite. Good luck to you....

Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: Matthew Holmes

Let me rephrase that last statement: it's the parties I hate not the people. I have many family and friends who belong to both parties and I love them dearly.


"Madness is something rare in individuals -- but in groups, parties, peoples, ages it is the rule."

- Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil


Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: nutso fasst

@ Mr. Wild:

Have you not been paying attention, or are you just trying to be irrelevant?

State militias preceded the Federal Militia. In fact, every colony had its own militia before there were states, and even prior to the Revolutionary War there were free blacks in some colonial militias. During the Revolutionary War, Rhode Island purchased slaves and freed them in return for their enlistment in its militia.

Here's a good article for expanding your limited knowledge of American History:
http://www.history.org/history/teaching/enewsletter/volume5/october06/soldiers.cfm

Naturally, slaves were rarely allowed to keep arms, and that was biggest limitation to enlisting freed slaves. Militiamen were expected to provide their own firearms, and neither the militias nor the Continental Army had enough arms to equip all enlistees.


Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: P F

@ 545

Why pick on the elected and/or appointed?

Why not go after the +/- 130,000,000 citizens who decided to re-elect most of the same partisan, do-nothing politicians last November?

People seem to pretend we have no input and these folks in Washington just kind of appear and start wrecking havoc on their own.

IMO, an uneducated and indifferent electorate is what ails the country. What we hear is the vocal minority from each side trying to keep themselves and the other side stirred up.

After all, WE send these folks to Washington and WE allow their misdeeds.



Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: P F

@ Mr. Holmes

Since we are talking 'ridiculous' here, are you saying that only conservatives commit murder?


Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: P F

@ Oh dear

No, PF is not saying that at all. Seems most of the statements promising to ignore new gun legislation come from the right.

As Mr. Holmes adroitly points out, if a liberal shoots you he will be in a clown suit and will use a confetti-spewing weapon.


Posted: Friday, March 22, 2013
Article comment by: Barnaby Wild

The federal militia was never called up to suppress a slave insurrection because by that time, state militias existed in the plantation states. Large planters "owned" hundreds of slaves and made sure that they neither possessed nor bore arms. For slaves to rise up against armed "owners" with garden tools would have been suicide.

The militia (either state or federal) was for white, male freemen. In fact, the term "freemen" was equivalent to the term "militiaman".


Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013
Article comment by: Ancient Mariner

There is much to agree with in your comment, 'Ponder This', but you should credit your inspiration: Charlie Reese. Also note that when anyone elected to Congress dares to rock the sinking Ship of State with a push for leak patching, Cap'n BO's behavior-regulating militia rolls out the assault ad hominems and begins firing fully automatic.

Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013
Article comment by: Mary Heartman

@ P F:
Bull! You want paranoid: Search on "Senate OKs bill arming school workers" and check out Amazed Dallas.


Posted: Thursday, March 21, 2013
Article comment by: Matthew Holmes

PF, My 10 years of experience as a student and employee at NAU in Flagstaff, possibly the holiest temple of liberal state-worship in the whole state, is what informs my opinions and that specific statement. Many of them think guns are scary, unnecessary, and want to implement gun control regulation or get rid of them altogether. Perhaps you know other kinds of Democrats. Yes, I was making a snide generalization based upon the recent outflow of sewage some people call "news". You are right, they will have 30 round clips, but their specially designed guns will shoot cute fluffy bunnies, peace signs, and caramel lattes. If they survive, they will then break into small minority focus groups, argue over which minority is most deserving of new specially enacted legislation. Then, unable to come to any kind of consensus, they will turn their fluffy bunny machine guns on each other. I'm placing my bets on the LGBTQ caucus, those butch dykes are tough broads.

I disagree about AZ being an anti-Obama state. True a simple majority may be anti-Obama, anti-Democrat, anti-Liberal, etc. But if you look at the last few presidential elections, both blue and red states have been nearly evenly divided down the middle, separated by very small margins. Again, mainstream media seems to be intent on dividing and conquering while the finance capitalist/political criminal syndicate enslaves, murders, rapes, and otherwise loots and pillages the majority with impunity. To make things crystal clear, as a registered Independent, I only hate Republicans more than I hate Democrats, but hate them both I do.



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