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3/16/2014 7:28:00 AM
Letter: That HHS misinformation keeps coming

Editor:

Another shoe falls. Kathleen Sebelius, HHS Secretary, has admitted that Obamacare premiums will go up for 2015, exposing another lie that promised a $2,400 a year premium saving for enrollees. She did suggest that the increases would be less than the normal year to year cost increases we have grown to expect. But when was the last time any of her optimistic projections concerning the failing system bore fruit?

When asked to reiterate what number would constitute success in enrollment by the end of the open enrollment period, Sebelius hedged. Her own statements, and the CBO estimates, previously had been that 7 million enrollees, at least 40 percent of whom needed to be in the 18 to 34 year old bracket to make the system viable, would spell initial success. Her answer was that "millions of enrollees would mean success." That could mean as few as 2 million - a long way from the truth.

Asked if there was any intention to delay the individual mandate and the automatic penalty for failure to enroll in a plan Sebelius was firm. "No." She then astonished the panel. She told them that the Act had a "hardship" clause. Analysts have determined it to be for those in dire straits - losing a home, catastrophic loss, etc. Sebelius disclosed that the administration was prepared to grant a "hardship exemption" to anyone who could not afford the premiums for the ACA, thus, and I'm sure the irony was lost on Ms. Sebelius, officially establishing Obamacare, itself, as a hardship. Even Joe Biden had to blink on that one.

Jim Barber

Camp Verde


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Reader Comments

Posted: Wednesday, April 9, 2014
Article comment by: @ itsy

While pontificating, please advise us about the health benefits of having no health insurance.



Posted: Saturday, March 29, 2014
Article comment by: itsy bitsy Spider

Tell Kathleen Sebelius that, Mr. You. She's the one implementing the law that's costing people their health insurance. She's the one admitting the PPACA can be hazardous to people's health.


Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014
Article comment by: Why You

I do not get it. Why take pleasure in uninsured citizens? At some point each and everyone will need healthcare and when they go to the ER or Dr. or Urgent.....the question will be, do you have your insurance card? NO? here is your bill. pay up. It is simple. You are either old (medicare) young, poor or have the ability to pay something.......there is no excuse. Sign up and take care of your health. And if you are an employer. Pay your employees enough to buy their own health insurance and stay out of their healthcare decision. Comprendo? This mentality must stop...

Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014
Article comment by: Billinda Bantam

Well, if that's the best you can do, Bill. I guess that helps explain why the HHS misinformation keeps coming.

1.a Massachusetts premiums & healthcare costs--keep looking. Politifact agrees with me when it can't worm out of it. 1.b What's seldom mentioned about Romneycare: When it went into effect in 2007, Mass. had 5.43% uninsured. 6 years later, it had 3% uninsured--a whopping 154,900 person difference. And that's with a plan that did not have a rollout problem.

2. From who, Mitt Romney?

3. I'll give you half a point on this one. After the Obamacare fiasco, lots of people will be taking a better look and thinking HSAs don't look so bad after all. That's another kind of trap, but at least it isn't a bear pit .

4. You really should, Bill. I got it a little scrambled. The war powers came first, then the tax dodge.


Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Billinda asks:
"And then you can explain to us why Massachusetts still has the highest insurance rates in the nation and/or why its healthcare costs are still spiraling out of control. "

I can tell you that your assertion is incorrect. So does the website Politifact.

"The Massachusetts health plan expanded coverage to many people who didn’t have insurance before, and that did cost the state and federal government money. Also, consumers saw increases in their health care costs. But there’s little to show that the health plan Romney signed as governor caused the increased costs that affected household budgets. In recent years, health care costs have been rising around the country, and Massachusetts is not exempt. We rate the statement False."

"Or if that's too difficult, you could try telling us what about people losing their employer-paid insurance isn't a bum deal. "

I can tell you those people probably work for right wing tea party employers who cancelled their insurance to make a point. Bummer. But on the bright side, they now have the ability to purchase better plans on their own.

"Or failing that, maybe you could come up with some bs that explains why the U.S. is plowing ahead toward single payer while our "betters" like Sweden, England, and Israel are privatizing things that used to be "free" for just 50 to 95% of your income."

I know nothing about that. I've neither heard nor read about any realistic push toward single payer.

"I saw somewhere that the insurance/health care cost spiral started in the 40s when companies gave health benefits to employees instead of higher salaries as a tax dodge or something. Do you know anything about that?"

No


Posted: Friday, March 28, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Comrades!
Just a couple of more days to sign up for obamacare!
Ooooopsssss...
You are now on the "honor system" for obamacare enrollment

• “We have no plans to extend the open enrollment period. In fact, we don’t actually have the statutory authority to extend the open enrollment period in 2014.” — HHS official Julie Bataille, March 11
• “Once that 2014 open enrollment period has been set, they are set permanently.” – HHS official Michael Hash, March 11 '14
• “March 31st is the deadline for enrollment. You’ve heard us make that clear.” – Press Secretary Jay Carney, March 21 '14
• “There is no delay beyond March 31.” – HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, March 12 '14

Brought to you by the same group of brain surgeons who came up with "cash for clunkers"


Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Why Mr Slater, does paying for insurance through a private insurance company make someone a mooch? Which of your tax dollars go to subsidize my premiums? The financing for subsidies to premiums comes from a variety of sources, none of which is your pocket. None of which are the pockets of your family members or friends. Unless you count among your friends huge insurance companies and enormous pharmaceutical companies and mega healthcare conglomerates. Unless you prefer to fund over 700 billion in Medicare wasted and fraud with your tax dollars, you have nothing to say about it. Congress, the executive branch and the Supreme Court have spoken for you as is The American Way.

I value personal responsibility. So, I carry insurance.
I value financial security. So, I carry insurance.
I value my family and their security. So, I carry insurance.
Those are very traditional conservative values. So, I carry insurance. Homeowners, auto, life and now Health insurance. How can you criticize that? How can you argue that?

If you don't have health insurance, are not covered by Medicare or Medicaid or the VA already, have a chronic condition or are paying too much for your current health plan, you only have a few days left to get Afordable comprehensive health care insurance through the exchange. Visit
www.healthcare.gov.
Even you doubters and naysayers. Even if you can not say the president's name without throwing Hussain in the middle. Even if you voted for Ron Paul or Mitt Romney. Even if you swore you would never....

Only 3 days left to enroll for this year. A lot can happen between now and November. Please do it now. Don't be a moocher.
www.healthcare.com


Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2014
Article comment by: Slater Slater

The only ones getting coverage is the moochers.They pay $80 a month.What do you pay?

Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2014
Article comment by: OK, Bill

Let's go back to this one:
I saw somewhere that the insurance/health care cost spiral started in the 40s when companies gave health benefits to employees instead of higher salaries as a tax dodge or something. Do you know anything about that? ( Employer mandate delayed, but Obamacare destruction goes on 12/26/2013)

And then you can explain to us why Massachusetts still has the highest insurance rates in the nation and/or why its healthcare costs are still spiraling out of control.

Or if that's too difficult, you could try telling us what about people losing their employer-paid insurance isn't a bum deal.

Or failing that, maybe you could come up with some bs that explains why the U.S. is plowing ahead toward single payer while our "betters" like Sweden, England, and Israel are privatizing things that used to be "free" for just 50 to 95% of your income.

bb


Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014
Article comment by: M J

Billy
In 5 days... iffin I don't get obamacare...
do you turn into a pumpkin?

"Don't be a moocher, get health insurance today."
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

Now I know the left is desperate
HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa


Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Billllllllllinda, First, define Bum Deal. Then cite one passage of fine print that makes the ACA a bum deal. Cite a clause or an article or a paragraph or a section or a chapter. Then give me your interpretation of it as a bum deal and I'll counter that with facts. Go ahead, copy and paste something from one of the countless tea party websites. Find one. Or more if you are so inclined.

Anyone who is not covered by their employer, Medicare, Medicaid, the VA or your spouses of parents plan, needs to get coverage. It is affordable, it is comprehensive and a Good Deal. Read the find print, it is a good deal.

Only 5 days left.

www.healthcare.gov

Otherwise, you are a moocher, a taker, a drag on society, one of the 47%. Don't be a moocher, get health insurance today.


Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2014
Article comment by: Obamacare a Republican plan?!!!

OMG, no wonder it's such a monstrosity!

And the Democrats bought it hooks, lines, and sinkers (and boy,it sure is full of hooks, lines, and sinkers!). (sigh) Such dupes!

It's time to REPLACE all those SPECIAL EXEMPTIONS with a SINGLE ONE:

If you don't LIKE your Obamacare, you don't have to KEEP your Obamacare.


Posted: Tuesday, March 25, 2014
Article comment by: Billinda Bantam

Biiillllll!!!!!!!

You really don't have to prove once an insurance salesman, always an insurance salesman.

It's all too obvious that goes for community organizers too. Only this time it just ain't working because too many people read the fine print and saw it's a bum deal.

Looking on the bright side, maybe that means there's still hope for our kids to have both the freedom of choice and security we had.


Posted: Monday, March 24, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

I value financial security. So, I carry insurance.
I value my family and their security. So, I carry insurance. Those are very traditional conservative values that I believe we all share. So, I carry insurance. Homeowners, auto, life and now Health insurance.

Only 7 days left.

www.healthcare.gov



Posted: Monday, March 24, 2014
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Only 7 days left to get your insurance through the healthcare exchange. (A republican plan BTW).

If you need health insurance because: you are too young for Medicare, make too much money for Medicaid, are unemployed or under-employed. Are paying too much for a plan through your employer, work for a jerk who does not provide a plan or work for yourself. You will need healthcare insurance. Someday you'll fall off your bike or that funny mole turns out to be melanoma. You won't even see it coming and there will be no one to sue over it. You will be on your own. Why be on your own when insurance coverage is so easy to get now. Pre-Existing conditions don't matter anymore. You will have really good choices with real insurance companies. (Another republican idea). What the heck are you waiting for?

www.healthcare.gov

Even if you have to sneak onto the computer and clear the browser history afterwards so no one finds out. Do it today. Please. The choice to go without insurance instantly makes you a moocher. A drain on society. One of 'those' people. Don't be one of 'those' people, get your insurance. Only 7 days left.




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