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10/24/2013 3:41:00 PM
Letter: What happened to decorum at community meetings?


I recently attended a Cottonwood City Council meeting. As Mayor Joens was speaking, a man sitting in the audience began to heckle her. The mayor asked for quiet and made a comment about civility and respect. The man continued with remarks and was asked to leave.

As he left, he continued being obnoxious. Some of his remarks were about stifling the First Amendment.

During the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting this past Monday, another man became irate when an agenda item he wanted to comment on was tabled. He stood up and demanded to be heard. After being asked to sit back down and be quiet he continued to speak. He finally did as requested.

Anyone who wishes to address the city council or the planning and zoning commission is always granted the opportunity to make comments or ask questions. There is a process for this. There are forms on the table at the front door of the council chambers that must be filled out. One of the questions on the form is what agenda item do you wish to address. This allows for an orderly flow of the meeting. If an item is tabled, then there cannot be any further discussion.

Mayor Joens requested civility, respect and decorum and that is how it should be. What is our community coming to when people feel the need to create a disturbance at a community meeting?

Ed Kiyler


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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, October 29, 2013
Article comment by: Take Responsibility

Hey Ed Kiyler, how about taking responsibility for being rude and making up rules that do not exist to shut down open discussion?

Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013
Article comment by: Ed Kiyler

First I would like to thank all for their comments on my letter, unfortunately only 2 or 3 had anything to do with my letter. To the comment that I failed to mention that I was Chairperson of P&Z, I refer you to the the original letter sent to the editor. At end of the letter along with my name I wrote "Chairperson of Planning and Zoning Commission". The editor chose not to print that, why? I don't know. Also, why are people afraid to include their real name when they make comments?

Posted: Monday, October 28, 2013
Article comment by: hot-dog avec ventre plat

Sometimes I feel like being innominate, sometimes I don't.

But I'll take civility over decorum any time.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: Hell, what about decorum here?

Why is this forum any different?

At least the loudmouths in public meetings have to identify themselves.

Here, the gutless weinies hide behind nom de plumes.

phil falbo

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: Latter Evade

I was present at this meeting and it was unprofessional the way the city, Dan Lueder and Ed Kiyler handled the last minute news of canceling the meeting when so many of us who will be affected by this development were present and prepared with comments. In my opinion it is the attitude and actions of power hungry city officials who have created this atmosphere. As residence in good standing who contribute to pay the salary of city employees, like Dan Lueder, i was appalled at the lack of civility from the city. If you conduct the citizens business in the proper manner, with respect towards all sides, this mess wouldn't have happened. The city, or Dan Lueder, clearly had made up their mind about this project and any dissenting opinions were crushed. We need to demand respect and a closer look into the behavior and motivation of these officials.. If you we're present at this meeting you would wonder why our elected officials would tolerate the behavior exhibited by its personnel.

Posted: Saturday, October 26, 2013
Article comment by: M J

Hey folks...
don't be hard on Mary Jane and billy...
they have had a rough couple of weeks....
as obamacare is being exposed for the big steaming pile of ^*&^$ that it is....

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: I was Embarrassed

As a member of the planing commission, I was embarrassed at how rude our chairman, Ed Kiyler, treated the citizen at our meeting. If Ed had used a kinder approach he would not have created the dispute. We are there to take citizen input, not to order them around and make up rules to stifle them. I apologize to the public for Ed's approach and and want everyone to know that not all of us agree with how he conducts a meeting.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Bill Bassett

Mary Jane, comparing the Tea Part to a pack of snarling pit bulls is just insulting...to pit bulls.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: tired of hypocrisy

Typical liberal behavior. Way more hate and rudeness from the left than from the right.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Respect must be earned

The children pointing fingers at the Tea Party are the usual clueless liberals. They are part of the problem.

But for anyone else with half a brain, of course public meetings need to be orderly and follow the rules.

But respect must be earned.

If elected and appointed leaders are shoveling out disrespect, expect that to be returned in kind.

They don't call it a bully pulpit for nothing you know. Power and authority must be used wisely and with maturity.

Otherwise, what goes around comes around.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Ed Kiyler Should talk!

Mr. Kiyler did not admit that he was chairing the planning meeting and when a man stood to politely ask if he could speak, Mr. Kiyler shouted rudely at him "No! Sit Down! "
Mr. Kiylers rude attitude shocked and angered the citizens asking to speak. If Mr. Kiyler had been more polite, the incident would not have escalated. This is what you get when you put a old cop in charge of chairing a citizen input committee.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Barns Wild

Typical Tea Party behavior.

Posted: Friday, October 25, 2013
Article comment by: Mary Jane

Just another example of T-Party politics...

Having these Reich Wingers around is like trying to cook breakfast with a pack of Pit Bulls at your feet, biting, growling, snapping, whining, barking and demanding to be given ever more, even though they have eaten to the point of complete satiation and have to crap on the floor to make room for more!

Maybe shock collars would help?

Posted: Thursday, October 24, 2013
Article comment by: Its All About Me

I see this every day with high school freshmen! The only voice of importance in mine.
I agree that when we have meetings there must be decorum.
I guess that is why there is usually a Sargent of Arms in many meetings...organizations. Some people just can't wait their turn. The only thing that happens then is that no one listens. Sad state when we can't wait our turn.

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