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6/4/2013 1:03:00 PM
Letter: Schools should be teaching Judeo-Christian morals

Editor:

We all want our children and grandchildren to be successful in life, and one thing that has as far as I can remember been associated with the “Quest for Success” is parents that have a strong desire to have their offspring attend “College” preferably a famous “University”; that should make any parent “Happy beyond Belief.”

Then in the 2012 Democratic Convention many of us were shocked by a young lady (Student in a College or University that as I understand it “Specializes in the ‘Law Profession’) and her primary point was that we need to provide free birth control products and services to the students: It sounded as though the girls were unduly burdened by ‘The High Costs of Contraception.’ With the figures she threw around it started to dash my enthusiasm for my granddaughters’ futures; where if they attend “College” they may likely receive a “Diploma in Degradation” instead of or along with their desired “Sheepskin.” Their “College Education” may serve as an “Internship” or “OJT” for an “Entrepreneurial Endeavor” in some business, say oh, something like “Mustang Ranch” or “Miss Nancy Ann’s Hotel for Single Girls.”

The question came to my mind, “Do I really want this for my granddaughters”? If I were younger that question would be about my daughter instead; still the answer raises another question: “Why have our institutions of higher learning (and our Nation) turned away from the “Judeo-Christian Principles” almost all of them were established on”? There is very little “Moral Authority” in our schools (or families) anymore, and that is distressing because I realize the future of “Our Nation” rides on the “Knowledge and Wisdom” they acquire; largely because of what we can get transferred to them, through whatever means available; and our “Public Education System” is sorely lacking in almost everything except “Socialistic Indoctrination.”

Then the politicians buy into such asinine, stupid and corrupt things as “Common Core,” which is one of the most invasive and sneaky ways to learn each and every iota of information about the private opinions, actions, health and desires concerning the life of every child and family that has been devised; it is reminiscent of the “Nazi (National Socialist) Regimes’ Youth Camps.” Then there is “UN Agenda 21,” which turns over information, power and control to the “Communist and Islam Controlled United Nations”, while they indoctrinate the students with distorted garbage such as “Revisionist History” that depicts the miraculous progress of the United States that improved our lives and the lives of a major part of the population of the earth as “Evil.” They claim a “Free Market Economy” steals from the “Poor” to give to the “Rich.” Of course they never attempt to explain how it is that “Our Poor” have in many ways always been as well or better off than most other nation’s ‘Middle Class’ even before the “New Deal” and the “War on Poverty”.

Mind you, there are some things this Nation has done that it had no business doing; but where is thanks for what we have done that benefited others. Should write a book; no better yet get the schools to actually teach the true history and the “Judeo-Christian Foundation and Constitution” that formed this Nation.

Dale Gohr

Clarkdale





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Reader Comments

Posted: Monday, June 17, 2013
Article comment by: Gray Grammarian

To PF:

Bravo! That's a bit prescriptive for a confirmed liberal: several noted grammarians have different views. However, I like your style choice, especially the handling of question marks.


Posted: Friday, June 14, 2013
Article comment by:

Definition/Rule:

1. Quotation marks – or quotes or inverted commas – are the things put around words to show that other people have said them. They show things that have been (or will be) said in another place or another time, marking them as something which requires special attention.

Quotation marks come in singles (‘___’) or doubles (“___”), and they always come in sets of two. In fiction, quotation marks are quite common as they go around all dialogue in non-fiction they should be judiciously used around quotes to prove a point or support a thesis.

2. Quotation Marks
Rule 1
Periods and commas always go inside quotation marks, even inside single quotes.

Examples:
The sign changed from "Walk," to "Don't Walk," to "Walk" again within 30 seconds.

She said, "Hurry up."

She said, "He said, 'Hurry up.'"

Rule 2
The placement of question marks with quotes follows logic. If a question is in quotation marks, the question mark should be placed inside the quotation marks.

Examples:
She asked, "Will you still be my friend?"

Do you agree with the saying, "All's fair in love and war"?
Here the question is outside the quote.

NOTE: Only one ending punctuation mark is used with quotation marks. Also, the stronger punctuation mark wins. Therefore, no period after war is used.

Rule 3
When you have a question outside quoted material AND inside quoted material, use only one question mark and place it inside the quotation mark.

Example:
Did she say, "May I go?"

Rule 4
Use single quotation marks for quotes within quotes. Note that the period goes inside all quote marks.

Example:
He said, "Danea said, 'Do not treat me that way.'"

Rule 5
Use quotation marks to set off a direct quotation only.

Examples:
"When will you be here?" he asked.

He asked when you will be there.

Rule 6
Do not use quotation marks with quoted material that is more than three lines in length. See Colons, Rule 5, for style guidance with longer quotes.

Rule 7
When you are quoting something that has a spelling or grammar mistake or presents material in a confusing way, insert the term sic in italics and enclose it in brackets. Sic means, "This is the way the original material was."

Example:
She wrote, "I would rather die then [sic] be seen wearing the same outfit as my sister."
Should be than, not then."

Hope that helps slow you down. God forbid it makes you think.

pf


Posted: Tuesday, June 11, 2013
Article comment by: itsy bitsy Spider

That's a subject educators ponder frequently, Ms. Heartman.

You can't scrub religious attitudes and imperatives from history and literature without leaving obvious holes. Yet as it is, many students these days go into high school with no clear idea of any doctrine. How can they grasp the forces that shaped this country, much less all of Western culture? How can they understand current tensions in the Middle East? How, for that matter, can they analyze many local issues and make informed decisions. How can they avoid being drawn into political belief systems, extremist doctrines, or kooky cults?

However, Dale Gohr would be the first to decry teaching theology as a branch of philosophy. Hard-core liberals would object just as strenuously to acknowledging its importance. Theologians would point out that too broad a knowledge of components and history hinders the effectiveness of belief. Besides, where would administrators find teachers capable of teaching comparative religion on a primary level?


Posted: Monday, June 10, 2013
Article comment by: Passin N. Gassin

Public schools are short on time to teach skills needed to survive in the job place as it is.
Parents, churches are concentrated to teach theology in the form they choose, as should you. Reasons exist aplenty for separation of church and state. Our schools should teach the means to access education, church the means to say thank god for it.
If that is your choosing


Posted: Sunday, June 9, 2013
Article comment by: When are the religious fanatics going to realize

that you don't have to be religious to be a moral person. Morals can be taught without a "Judeo-Christian" basis. Do you think that my morals are different than yours because I'm atheist? Morals have nothing to do with religion.


Posted: Saturday, June 8, 2013
Article comment by: Mary Heartman

@ T.J. O'Malley
I disagree. There's a difference between inculcating a belief system, as Dale Gohr advocates here, and teaching the components of a theology. Religion is so much a part of civilization and such a bone of contention between factions, a public school course in comparative theology--introduced at the third or forth grade level--could resolve a number of social and educational problems.


Posted: Thursday, June 6, 2013
Article comment by: T.J. O'Malley

Religion of any kind should never be taught in public school system, if so it should be an elective class, forcing a belief on someone is wrong, altho I do feel that if you want to pray in school, you should be able to, the pledge should still be recited as well, I for one do not believe in god, my wife does, my mother is Mormon and im not sure were my children stand on their spiritual beliefs, and I damn sure will never force my beliefs on them, and school should not or any other person for that matter

Posted: Thursday, June 6, 2013
Article comment by: First things first

Dale, you failed to mention that schools should also be teaching the proper use of "quotation marks". If someone can't master the use of such a simple piece of punctuation then how can we every hope for them to grasp such complex issues as morals?

Posted: Thursday, June 6, 2013
Article comment by: Peter, Yavapai County

Dale,
I assume from your letter that you advocate Judeo/Christian education because it worked so well for you. Yet, when I read your letter, I must conclude that your English teacher was spending way too much time teaching morals and not enough time on punctuation, sentence structure, usage and fact checking.

If parents fail to teach morals to their children, there isn't much an overloaded public school teacher can do about it. If children show up at school without respect for themselves and each other then the parents have failed, not the teachers.

If parents provide loving attention and teach their children to respect their teachers (and all adults), and to focus on their reading, writing and arithmetic, everything will be fine.



Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: Really? How long ago was it ?

That the president gave an in school message to school children? You would have thought that the world was ending from the cries of indoctrination from the conservaTEAves... and now we have one of those that we are sure had a 'heart atttack' over the previous issue calling for actual indoctrination of school kids into religious beliefs?

Does that not reel to the highest degree of irony and 2-faced double standards?

Whatever validity or respect Se�or Gohr may have deserved is now toast... dry toast... not even any butter or jam on that stuff.

Really?


Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: @ Hey You Kids

GREAT post!
You have outlined the purpose of education perfectly. Teach em the basics AND the ability to think on their own.
Thank you for showing us that not all posts are vitriolic or simply one sided.


Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: Dale Brings Facts...Makes Us Look For Future...

improvement of our education of our children. One area of improvement is to push for 100% Voucher for all students (1 - 12). Where parents will decide
what education/training their children will receive.

The children will be given Home, Private or Public schooling...as directed by their parents.


Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: Daniel Bartsch

As a Christian myself, I just want other readers to know that I am embarrassed by Mr. Gohr's letter. If you want to find out what Christianity is about, read the Bible. Anyone can write a letter to the editor claiming to represent Christianity.

Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: Some basis some paranoia

There's no question that many teachers are politically left wing, especially in public schools For better or for worse, that's just a fact.

It's common knowledge that all our local districts have outspoken liberals who are teachers, and we see a liberal worldview often taught by some professors at Arizona colleges and universities.

But when it comes to a moral education, I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Gohr when referring to public schools.

The primary purpose of our public schools should be a broad based education based on objective facts and empirical science.

Although Judeo-Christian morals are implicit in our society, they should not be explicitly taught in public schools in my opinion. A moral education is not a public school's primary role.

Private schools may of course teach moral standards to fit their particular interpretation. That is an entirely appropriate function of a private school, especially a private religious school.

But when it comes to a child's moral education, most important is the family, and secondly the family's religious organization.


Posted: Wednesday, June 5, 2013
Article comment by: HEY YOU KIDS

Get off "My Lawn".

Parents and churches should be teaching morals and ethics, Judeo-Christian or Islamic or Buddhist or Hindu or New Age or Old Hippy. They all teach pretty much the same basic stuff regarding morals and ethics.

Schools should teach language, you know, reading, writing, speaking, thinking clearly and expressing yourself via language.

Schools should teach mathematics, such as adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing. Then problem solving, critical thinking, advanced math, logic, data management and computer theory all via mathematics.

Schools should teach civics and historical perspective of the state, the nation, the world and the people and events that have shaped them

Schools should teach the arts. Music, theater, visual arts, industrial arts and expressing yourself via art.

Schools should teach athletics. Team sports, individual sports, Team work, competition, ambition, fitness, healthy diet and habits and self expression through athletics.

Schools should be reinforcing strong morals and strong ethical lessons throughout the curriculum. Religion should be taught by parents and churches.

Parents, churches and schools need to work together using all the skills I just outlined to prepare children for happy, healthy, productive and meaningful lives. Each has a role and responsibility. Each is crucial and each must support one another but each has do it's job independently and objectively.

Now go outside and play...and don't track mud across my nice clean floor.



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