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10/27/2012 1:05:00 PM
Letter: Bible inspires choice for president

Editor:

Choose your presidential candidate that will deal most effectively with:

· The greatest financial crises since the Great Depression,

· A growing tendency of many in Congress to trade our economic freedom for the slavery of socialism,

· Political and Media liars and deceivers,

· Our godless Public Schools gone amok with drugs, shootings and pre-marital sex,

· Hollywood and advertisers with their unrestrained flaunting of sexually provocative images and movies and sex outside of marriage,

· Concerted efforts to change thousands of years of normal morality standards to include male and female homosexuality and the redefinition of marriage,

· Attempts by a small minority of un-elected judges to change the original meaning of our Constitution to suit their own personal preferences regardless of the will of Congress and of the people, and

· The wanton, unrestrained millions of abortions, with less than 2 percent for rape or incest.

Do we still expect the favor of God upon our nation and us unless we change?

Please VOTE for the candidate who has the best-proven track record for fixing problems rather than for the one whose rhetoric does not match his record.

The complete answer to all of these problems is found in The Bible. We, as individuals and as a nation, must repent and follow Jesus, the Messiah and soon coming King, who proved His deity and worth by His life, death, burial and resurrection after three days in the grave. He has our answer to the problems mentioned above and for eternal life if we will study the Bible and follow Him. He is the supernatural change agent!

1 John 5:11-12

Mark 1:14-15

Mr. & Mrs. John T. Stone

Cottonwood



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Reader Comments

Posted: Tuesday, November 13, 2012
Article comment by: Phil Falbo

@ DPG

You said: "There's nothing secular about our nation's history."

"N-O-T-H-I-N-G."

I said: "Seems to me that with the Constitution stating, 'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion....' and the extreme materialistic and consumer based nature of our economy, we are, if anything, a secular nation."

Which of course, as of a minute ago, is part of the "History" of the country.

You said: "A close review of the Framers' lives and the convention itself demonstrates that this country's formation was not an entirely secular."

Now, besides your last sentence being incomplete, you imply that, since the country's formation was, "...not an entirely secular," it must be at least partly secular thus contradicting your observation that there was "nothing secular about our nation's history."

Sigh.





Posted: Monday, November 5, 2012
Article comment by: Dear Mr. and Mrs. John Stone:

I am a morals driven mother and have taught and held my children to high moral standards. We also don't sit around gossiping about people as it is more effective to help someone, rather than judge and criticize them, especially when half truths or lies are being written.

Somehow you got confused along the way, and got mixed up thinking God and Morals were the same thing. And we do consider our selves more moral than you because you hate and condone people. Is this what Jesus wanted us to do? Nope, I'll bet he is rolling over in his grave at your letter.



Posted: Thursday, November 1, 2012
Article comment by: DPG, Clarkdale

@ Philbo - The distinction between knowledge and wisdom is context and application. In this case, you've missed both. Contextually and historically, religion was a much larger and integral part of the early colonist lives. A close review of the Framers' lives and the convention itself demonstrates that this country's formation was not an entirely secular. (I'm not sure what history Mr. Bond adheres to.)

In application, the very fact that the Framers precluded Congress from establishing a state religion confirms my very point, and (ironically) lampoons yours.

Alas, while your comment had breath, it simply wasn't fresh.


Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Article comment by: John A. Bond

For those neoconservatives who insist that America is a Judeo-Christian nation founded upon principles conistent with both of those religions, I think utter hypocrisy inherent within such a claim is manifestly obvious.

I think ALL of you should study the history of America with particular emphasis upon the lives/beliefs of the so-called "founding fathers".

It should be enlightening to all of you.

You will discovery that a significant number of them were slave-owning racists hypocrites that engaged in the buying, selling, trading and trafficking in human beings.

Now, I know, there are some of you out there that will claim the Christianity does not oppose slavery and Christ never specifically admonished the ownership of other human beings.

However, he most certainly did make many, many statements [assuming he existed at all] about how humans should interact with each other and how best to behave towards each other.

I refer you to the Sermon on the Mount for a prescient example of his teachings.

Now, let us stop this idiotic nonsense about America being a "christian" nation and admit that religiously America is a very diverse and eclectic nation.

America is so religiously diverse because there is "no [formal, governmental] establishment of religion and therefore all religions have been able to thrive in America.

Let us call the assertion for what it is, pure, unadulterated partisan, political poppycock.

If the GOP is the "family values" party based upon Christian theocracy expressed as rigid fanatic Christian fundamentalist doctrine and dogma, then amusingly may God help us all.


Posted: Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Article comment by: Phil Falbo

@ DPG

Unless you have a different definition of "secular," you are the one who missed the mark with your incorrect claim that, " There's nothing secular about our nation's history:"

sec·u·lar 
1. of or pertaining to worldly things or to things that are not regarded as religious, spiritual, or sacred temporal: secular interests.
2. not pertaining to or connected with religion

Seems to me that with the Constitution stating, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." and the extreme materialistic and consumer based nature of our economy, we are, if anything, a secular nation.

That people practice religion is a different matter.

Simply breathtaking, indeed.


Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Article comment by: DPG, Clarkdale

Nothing like the mention of religion to bring the bigots out!

@Tina Vigilante: Secular nation? There's nothing secular about our nation's history. I think you missed the mark with that one. Religious dogma? Do you not realize your very own pontification is nothing more than bigoted secular dogma? Simply breathtaking.


Posted: Tuesday, October 30, 2012
Article comment by: which bible? .

not sure Romney reads the same one you all think he does... recent hidden camera video inside the mormon temple in salt lake city might raise a few questions/concerns.

http://youtu.be/6udew9axmdM

or answer a few questions... but if folks want to bring religion into the mix they better know what it is they are talking about... or they may be getting more than they bargained for. much more.

http://www.newnamenoah.com/


Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Carl Nye - Jerome

Mary Jane wrote: If the Republicans succeed in voucherizing Medicare, you will see the Insurance companies (Romney's cohorts) get rich beyond their wildest dreams while Romney's 47% grows to more like 70% and medical care will become beyond the reach of any but the rich.

I remember the words that Joan Baez sang many years ago - If living were a thing that money could buy, you know the rich would live and the poor would die.

Right on, Mary Jane, and Joan.


Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Lee Cali

Mr.and Mrs.Stone, Although I respect you for your devotion, this piece has the air of a sermon and should have been addressed to the religion section of the newspaper. Just as the Constitution is nonsectarian, so are the opinion pages of our newspaper.

Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: John A. Bond

Mr. and Mrs. StonChoose your presidential candidate that will deal most effectively with:

· The greatest financial crises since the Great Depression,

Comment:

Under which US Presidential administration did the economy collapse fueled by two unfunded and immoral [ I suppose you think Jesus Christ would have supported either of these wars], egregious tax breaks for the wealthy elite, unfunded Part D Medicare [designed to undermine and bankrupt the medicare system], and financial fraud perpetrated upon America by wall street and the banks?

Let me help you out. It was the BUSH II, [the war criminal] administration that brought us this disastrous economic debacle and Bush II did it with the help of a compliant and cooperative GOP congress.
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You then say,

"· A growing tendency of many in Congress to trade our economic freedom for the slavery of socialism,"

Comment:

What in the name of God are you talking about? Do you have an idea what you are alleging? Are you completely insane? Have you lost all of your senses?

You allege that congress [the US Senate and US House of Representatives] is manifesting "socialism". Are you kidding me?

What a joke. The GOP house and the obstructionist GOP minority senate has done everything it can to promote corporate [fascist] interests.

It is FASCISM not socialism that is the real threat to our constitutional democracy. It is unfathomable to me that anyone could be so naive as to believe that "socialism" is the threat to America.

It boggles the mind that anyone could be so jaded as to express such an obviously misguided and mistaken comprehension of the ever present and growing danger of corporate [fascist] rule in America.
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You then say,

"· Political and Media liars and deceivers,"

Comment:

Well, finally, something we can agree on politically. Yes, the corporately [fascist] owned media are most definitely liars and deceivers and the proof of their effectiveness lies in your statement that "socialism" and not FASCISM is the real threat to America. You have been duped by corporate [FOX NEWS, et al] into believing their lies about the "socialist threat" to America.
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You then say,

"· Our godless Public Schools gone amok with drugs, shootings and pre-marital sex,"

Comment:

What in the world makes you believe that American schools are "godless"? If I understand your point correctly, I surmise you believe that because religion, particularly YOUR Christian religion, is not taught in the public school system the schools therefore are GODLESS.

I wonder, if a law were passed that allowed prayer in public schools under the official sanctioning of the state, [and I mean prayers by ALL citizens not just limited to Christian ones] how you would feel about that?

Particularly since some religions in America require kneeling and praying multiple times towards a specific direction [Mecca].

Are you truly so fanatic that you believe that prayer, or the study of creationism or judeo-christian religion is the only way to insure that God is present in our schools? You must be kidding, right?
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You then say,

"· Hollywood and advertisers with their unrestrained flaunting of sexually provocative images and movies and sex outside of marriage,"

Comment:

I assume you are referring here to the godless heathens that frequent the GOP and engage in adultery, homosexuality, fornication and sodomy and incest and who sanctimoniously express their disgust for everyone who engages in such behavior BUT themselves.

What are you talking about? Do you really believe that in a population of 330 million people there will not be a vast diversity of behavior that does not adhere to your very narrow-minded comprehension of human behavior?
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Then, you say,

"· Concerted efforts to change thousands of years of normal morality standards to include male and female homosexuality and the redefinition of marriage,"

Comment:

I find it amusing that those who want to express their disdain for anyone who expresses their mutual love in any way other than that behavior "ordained" by religious doctrine, are so determined to condemn genuine expressions of love that are every bit as valid as heterosexual relationships that have proven to be remarkably destructive and "unloving", too.

I surmise here that you are making a veiled reference to the Defense of Marriage Act [DOMA] that has been ruled unconstitutional by the federal courts and you are appalled that people, citizens with equal rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness should be allowed to pursue that happiness in relaitionships other than heterosexual, monogamous ones. How utterly limiting of you. How utterly undemocratic of you, too.
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You also say,

"· Attempts by a small minority of un-elected judges to change the original meaning of our Constitution to suit their own personal preferences regardless of the will of Congress and of the people, and"

Comment:

You are aware of the SCOTUS ruling that effectively and illegally appointed George W. Bush, [Bush II, the war criminal] to the office of POTUS in 2000 are you not?

Similarly, I am sure you are aware of the infamous Citizens United ruling by the SCOTUS that bestowed "personhood" upon corporate [fascist] entities that were never intended under our constitutional form of government to ever achieve such status.

A corporation is a business entity. A fascist one, to be sure. Corporations are collections of people who merge together to further their own self-interest in pursuit of profit.

They most certainly are NOT people, [human beings] and they have no constitutionally guaranteed rights as a "person".

The Court that you are so offended by, the one who has been so "judicially active" to the detriment of our constitutional democracy is a NEOCONSERVATIVE court in which a neoconservative majority [5 white men] have taken it upon themselves to reinterpret the US Constitution to promote the interests of the corporate [fascist] overlords they serve and identify with as part of the wealthy elite.
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You also say,

"· The wanton, unrestrained millions of abortions, with less than 2 percent for rape or incest.

Comment:

OMG! You must be very, very ill. What about the "wanton, unrestrained" MURDER of literally millions of Iraqi men, women [many pregnant] and children in the immoral war in Iraq? What about the tens of thousands of innocents murdered in Afghanistan? Where is your compassion for all of those "innocent" lives.

Or, are they "moral" wars in your mind? Wars ordained as "just" by your Christian God? What ever happened to "love thy neighbor as thyself and "love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good unto them that hate you, and pray for them that revile and persecute you for my sake"----Jesus Christ

Your view on abortion, thankfully, is a minority view. The neoconservative SCOTUS is hoping and praying for a Romney presidency so they can reconsider Roe V. Wade and overturn it.

The reasons for this are multiple but a significant reason is the inability of the conservative majority on the SCOTUS to maintain any respect whatsoever for women. The very idea that a woman's body is the prerogative of the woman and that they and they alone in consultation with whomever they choose should make decisions over their own reproductive processes is repugnant to them.

It is truly said, that if "men gave to birth to children, abortion would be MANDATORY" and also, "if men got pregnant, there would only be one child per family".

Frankly, I suspect the neoconservative judges on the SCOTUS have stock in a coat hanger factory and can't wait to overturn Roe V. Wade.

The utter arrogance and contempt expressed by those who deem themselves qualified because of ther fanciful religious belief to make decisions for women concerning abortion is reprehensible.
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Your letter never specifically addressed your political preference in the 2012 election but I am sure President Obama enjoys your support, unimpinged as it is, with narrow-minded ideations instilled in you from fanatic fundamentalist religious dogma and informed as it is with an understanding of American democracy and the importance of reelecting someone to office who, unlike his predecessor does not merely claim to be endowed with "compassion" but actually possesses it and expresses it in his policies.





Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Feed the poor and heal the sick!

The Stones are right . . . the answer to who to vote for President IS in the Bible.

Jesus fed the poor and healed the sick, both LIBERAL ideals. Obama gave us affordable healthcare.

He also threw out the moneychangers . . .

Something a Republican like Romney would never do, he just prefers to say: "Believe in America" (but keep your money offshore!).

Jesus was obviously a radical liberal and anarchist!


Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Disgusted Democrat is really a Romney republicant

If you think Obama is far left, that, of necessity, makes you a Tea Party republicant.

Not to be trusted with truth.

Reagan couldn't win the republicant nomination with folks like you spouting tripe as you do.

Look up "bipartisan," then tell me if the Mitch McConnell spoken republicant promise to make Obama a one term president fits the definition.


Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Mary Jane

I could hardly contain my laughter when I realized you called Jesus Christ a Republican!

I dare say Jesus might have something to say to the modern day 'money changers' ( The Wall St. banksters that change the money from yours to theirs). The democrats maybe Godless hedonists but at least they aren't trying to steal your children's and the elderly's futures.

Does anyone really want to put themselves or their family members at the mercy of Insurance Companies, in their golden years, by letting the Republicans voucherize Medicare. My grandmother lived to be 90 yrs old and was pretty sharp right to the end, and yet I can't possibly imagine her having to deal with the vultures running the Insurance industries. If the Republicans succeed in voucherizing Medicare, you will see the Insurance companies (Romney's cohorts) get rich beyond their wildest dreams while Romney's 47% grows to more like 70% and medical care will become beyond the reach of any but the rich.

It should be common sense that Romney's plan to privatize and voucherize Medicare is a disaster waiting to happen! If they succeed with this, privatizing Social Security, so that Wall St. can gamble with your future, will be next.

To all the Republicans Don't let your seething hatred for Obama trick you into voting against your, and your families, best interests. Republicans and their Wall St. banker cronies and their Ponzi schemes came close to destroying this country once, DON'T let them try it again!!!

P.S. Am I the only one wondering where former President Bush has been? Shouldn't he be campaigning for Romney, telling us how we should go back to his policies of deregulation and unbridled greed?


Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: nutso fasst

Nothing fishy about that comment, Mr. Trout. A straightforward explication of reality.

Posted: Monday, October 29, 2012
Article comment by: Phil Falbo

Mr. & Mrs. Stone,

It is obvious you have learned more from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh than you have from the examples Christ set in His 33 years on Earth.

Sad.




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